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  • A aramis87@fedia.io

    Imagine thinking an 18 year old with the determination, grit, stamina, and vision to be a professional athlete on a national team is incompetent. Or are you just jealous that she's accomplished more than you?

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    jago@lemmy.world
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    #8

    Or are you just jealous envious that she's accomplished more than you?

    Point of order,

    Jealosy is a desire to own and keep from others something that is yours. It is in the same vein as zealotry.

    Envy is wanting to own and take from others something that they have. It is in the same vein as coveting.

    These are not synonymous, nor interchangeable.

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    • N null@piefed.au

      How could this ever be a reasonable idea, regardless of this mother's heritage.

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      frongt@lemmy.zip
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      There are a huge number of people who are or will be terrible parents who definitely should not have had kids.

      But I don't know of any way the government can positively address that, outside of actual child abuse.

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      • F frongt@lemmy.zip

        There are a huge number of people who are or will be terrible parents who definitely should not have had kids.

        But I don't know of any way the government can positively address that, outside of actual child abuse.

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        icelimit@lemmy.ml
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        #10

        I agree that there are far too many people who are likely not very qualified to be having kids. But that said, i don't think anyone or organization can ever be objectively qualified to deny anyone the right of not just a human being, but that of all living beings.

        Especially on the grounds of any 'competence' or lack thereof, not to mention of course, heritage or circumstance.

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        • devolution@lemmy.worldD devolution@lemmy.world

          I'm sure there's a King Leopold conservative somewhere saying, "serves her right or some shit."

          Conservatives worldwide can get bent.

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          dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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          "She deserved to get raped at 17 by her step father"

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          • chairmanmeow@programming.devC chairmanmeow@programming.dev

            These parents aren't even really incompetent. IIRC they failed the test because the mom suffered (sexual?) abuse as a child. And apparently that trauma disqualifies her as a mother somehow.

            They were also told they'd take the baby away 3 weeks before the birth. Also, the law used here shouldn't even apply to them because they're Greenlandic.

            It's an all-round travesty of a case and the Danish government should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

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            icelimit@lemmy.ml
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            #12

            The fact that the government is able to make a preemptive judgement is on its own just bonkers. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

            The government should also be a support system, not one that penalises. It should be providing relevant guidance and other support to make sure the family can get through anything holding them and the baby back from a fulfilling family life.

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            • S stamau123@lemmy.world

              Danish authorities take one-hour-old infant despite law banning the tests on people with Greenlandic backgrounds

              A Greenlandic mother’s one-hour-old baby was removed from her by Danish authorities after she underwent “parenting competence” tests – despite a new law banning the use of the controversial psychometric assessments on people with Greenlandic backgrounds.

              Ivana Nikoline Brønlund, who was born in Nuuk to Greenlandic parents and has played for the Greenlandic handball team, gave birth to her daughter, Aviaja-Luuna, on 11 August in a hospital in Hvidovre, near Copenhagen, where she lives with her family.

              An hour later, the local municipality took the infant into foster care. Brønlund, 18, says she has since only seen her daughter once, for an hour, when she was not allowed to comfort the baby or change her nappy.

              The “parenting competence” tests, known as FKU (forældrekompetenceundersøgelse), were banned on people with Greenlandic backgrounds earlier this year after years of criticism by campaigners and human rights bodies, who argued successfully that the tests were racist because they were culturally unsuitable for people from Inuit backgrounds. As the law came into force in May, campaigners are asking why Brønlund was still subjected to a test.

              The Danish social affairs minister, Sophie Hæstorp Andersen, has said she was concerned by the reports and had requested the municipality behind the decision, Høje-Taastrup, to explain its handling of the case. “Standardised tests should not be used in placement cases involving families with a Greenlandic background. The law is clear,” she said.

              Brønlund’s case has prompted protests in Greenland, with further protests planned in Nuuk, Copenhagen, Reykjavík and Belfast.

              Brønlund was told that her baby was removed because of the trauma she had suffered at the hands of her adoptive father, who is in prison for sexually abusing her. The municipality told her she was “not Greenlandic enough” for the new law banning the tests to apply, despite her being born in Greenland of Greenlandic parents.

              Local authorities started the testing on her in April – after an announcement in January that the ban was coming in. They completed the tests in June, at which point the law was in force. Brønlund was told three weeks before giving birth that her child would be taken away.

              The municipality declined to comment, saying it was bound by confidentiality. But it has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family.

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              green_fields@lemmy.world
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              Ah yes.. Let’s increase your childhood trauma with government approved trauma for you and your newborn baby. Because you didn’t follow a rule that we just made up, your newborn will have attachment issues, stress, development delays and feeding difficulties.

              And sure our municipality has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family. We just don’t keep it simple and give your baby back.

              We will need to “think” about it for weeks or months, since our brains aren’t capable of processing the consequences of our actions , rules or immoral decision making. “We just follow orders”. So you just have to wait till the baby is 2 years old or something, idk #yolo. Welcome to hell.
              Aka the "banality of evil” by Hannah Arendt.

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              • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                There are a huge number of people who are or will be terrible parents who definitely should not have had kids.

                But I don't know of any way the government can positively address that, outside of actual child abuse.

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                null@piefed.au
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                It's one thing to say someone is a terrible parent who ought not to have had children, it's a whole other thing to prevent someone from having children either before or after birth.

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                • G goretantath@lemmy.world

                  The problem starts at birthing the child in the first place, have incompetwnt parents practice safe sex instead of waiting till they have a kid to intervene.

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                  toad31@lemmy.cif.su
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                  Bitter virgin detected.

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                  • I icelimit@lemmy.ml

                    I agree that there are far too many people who are likely not very qualified to be having kids. But that said, i don't think anyone or organization can ever be objectively qualified to deny anyone the right of not just a human being, but that of all living beings.

                    Especially on the grounds of any 'competence' or lack thereof, not to mention of course, heritage or circumstance.

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                    _core@sh.itjust.works
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                    #16

                    Were seeing the consequences in the US in real time of people unqualified to be parents. They vote for destruction and raise their kids to do the same.

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                    • D derpenheim@lemmy.zip

                      These laws can never be a good thing. The door to abuse is too easy to open with them.

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                      blackmist@feddit.uk
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                      Really? Because a crackhead with a baby always ends so well.

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                      • _ _core@sh.itjust.works

                        Were seeing the consequences in the US in real time of people unqualified to be parents. They vote for destruction and raise their kids to do the same.

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                        icelimit@lemmy.ml
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                        I would argue the situation today isn't caused by ignorant people. But by a systemic 'de'-education of the population, by design.

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                        • jago@lemmy.worldJ jago@lemmy.world

                          Or are you just jealous envious that she's accomplished more than you?

                          Point of order,

                          Jealosy is a desire to own and keep from others something that is yours. It is in the same vein as zealotry.

                          Envy is wanting to own and take from others something that they have. It is in the same vein as coveting.

                          These are not synonymous, nor interchangeable.

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                          samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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                          While many people believe that jealous means fearing someone will take what you have, and envious means desiring what someone else has, historical usage shows that both mean "covetous" and are interchangeable when describing desiring someone else's possessions.

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                          • G green_fields@lemmy.world

                            Ah yes.. Let’s increase your childhood trauma with government approved trauma for you and your newborn baby. Because you didn’t follow a rule that we just made up, your newborn will have attachment issues, stress, development delays and feeding difficulties.

                            And sure our municipality has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family. We just don’t keep it simple and give your baby back.

                            We will need to “think” about it for weeks or months, since our brains aren’t capable of processing the consequences of our actions , rules or immoral decision making. “We just follow orders”. So you just have to wait till the baby is 2 years old or something, idk #yolo. Welcome to hell.
                            Aka the "banality of evil” by Hannah Arendt.

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                            acidiclybasicglitch@sh.itjust.works
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                            My first thought too, who tf thinks its a good idea to remove a newborn from their mother for something like that??

                            The most critical period for skin to skin contact:
                            https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/12578-kangaroo-care

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                            • G green_fields@lemmy.world

                              Ah yes.. Let’s increase your childhood trauma with government approved trauma for you and your newborn baby. Because you didn’t follow a rule that we just made up, your newborn will have attachment issues, stress, development delays and feeding difficulties.

                              And sure our municipality has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family. We just don’t keep it simple and give your baby back.

                              We will need to “think” about it for weeks or months, since our brains aren’t capable of processing the consequences of our actions , rules or immoral decision making. “We just follow orders”. So you just have to wait till the baby is 2 years old or something, idk #yolo. Welcome to hell.
                              Aka the "banality of evil” by Hannah Arendt.

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                              acidiclybasicglitch@sh.itjust.works
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                              #21

                              My first thought too, who tf thinks its a good idea to remove a newborn from their mother for something like that??

                              The most critical period for skin to skin contact:
                              https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/12578-kangaroo-care

                              Brønlund was told that her baby was removed because of the trauma she had suffered at the hands of her adoptive father, who is in prison for sexually abusing her. The municipality told her she was “not Greenlandic enough” for the new law banning the tests to apply, despite her being born in Greenland of Greenlandic parents.

                              What the actual fuck? I wasn't understanding this... Still not sure if I am bc it seems so incomprehensible.

                              They took her newborn baby bc she (the mother) was a victim of sexual abuse? Wtf is the logic behind that?

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                              • S stamau123@lemmy.world

                                Danish authorities take one-hour-old infant despite law banning the tests on people with Greenlandic backgrounds

                                A Greenlandic mother’s one-hour-old baby was removed from her by Danish authorities after she underwent “parenting competence” tests – despite a new law banning the use of the controversial psychometric assessments on people with Greenlandic backgrounds.

                                Ivana Nikoline Brønlund, who was born in Nuuk to Greenlandic parents and has played for the Greenlandic handball team, gave birth to her daughter, Aviaja-Luuna, on 11 August in a hospital in Hvidovre, near Copenhagen, where she lives with her family.

                                An hour later, the local municipality took the infant into foster care. Brønlund, 18, says she has since only seen her daughter once, for an hour, when she was not allowed to comfort the baby or change her nappy.

                                The “parenting competence” tests, known as FKU (forældrekompetenceundersøgelse), were banned on people with Greenlandic backgrounds earlier this year after years of criticism by campaigners and human rights bodies, who argued successfully that the tests were racist because they were culturally unsuitable for people from Inuit backgrounds. As the law came into force in May, campaigners are asking why Brønlund was still subjected to a test.

                                The Danish social affairs minister, Sophie Hæstorp Andersen, has said she was concerned by the reports and had requested the municipality behind the decision, Høje-Taastrup, to explain its handling of the case. “Standardised tests should not be used in placement cases involving families with a Greenlandic background. The law is clear,” she said.

                                Brønlund’s case has prompted protests in Greenland, with further protests planned in Nuuk, Copenhagen, Reykjavík and Belfast.

                                Brønlund was told that her baby was removed because of the trauma she had suffered at the hands of her adoptive father, who is in prison for sexually abusing her. The municipality told her she was “not Greenlandic enough” for the new law banning the tests to apply, despite her being born in Greenland of Greenlandic parents.

                                Local authorities started the testing on her in April – after an announcement in January that the ban was coming in. They completed the tests in June, at which point the law was in force. Brønlund was told three weeks before giving birth that her child would be taken away.

                                The municipality declined to comment, saying it was bound by confidentiality. But it has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family.

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                                rancidmango3000@lemmy.zip
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                                Happiest place in the world...

                                Denmark is consistently ranked as one of the happiest countries in the world, often coming in second place, just behind Finland, according to the World Happiness Report. Factors contributing to this happiness include strong social support, trust, and a high quality of life

                                LMFAO

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                                • blackmist@feddit.ukB blackmist@feddit.uk

                                  Really? Because a crackhead with a baby always ends so well.

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                                  derpenheim@lemmy.zip
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                                  I understand what youre saying, and with that EXACT point you've made I agree. The problem I want to make sure is understood is that policies dont end with the common sense use cases. They inevitably become a tool to oppress those that they dont like.

                                  A more productive thing is to address systemic issues that create people who are dependent on substances, rather than over-broad legislations that are just asking to be used to abuse the "out group" of the time.

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                                  • S stamau123@lemmy.world

                                    Danish authorities take one-hour-old infant despite law banning the tests on people with Greenlandic backgrounds

                                    A Greenlandic mother’s one-hour-old baby was removed from her by Danish authorities after she underwent “parenting competence” tests – despite a new law banning the use of the controversial psychometric assessments on people with Greenlandic backgrounds.

                                    Ivana Nikoline Brønlund, who was born in Nuuk to Greenlandic parents and has played for the Greenlandic handball team, gave birth to her daughter, Aviaja-Luuna, on 11 August in a hospital in Hvidovre, near Copenhagen, where she lives with her family.

                                    An hour later, the local municipality took the infant into foster care. Brønlund, 18, says she has since only seen her daughter once, for an hour, when she was not allowed to comfort the baby or change her nappy.

                                    The “parenting competence” tests, known as FKU (forældrekompetenceundersøgelse), were banned on people with Greenlandic backgrounds earlier this year after years of criticism by campaigners and human rights bodies, who argued successfully that the tests were racist because they were culturally unsuitable for people from Inuit backgrounds. As the law came into force in May, campaigners are asking why Brønlund was still subjected to a test.

                                    The Danish social affairs minister, Sophie Hæstorp Andersen, has said she was concerned by the reports and had requested the municipality behind the decision, Høje-Taastrup, to explain its handling of the case. “Standardised tests should not be used in placement cases involving families with a Greenlandic background. The law is clear,” she said.

                                    Brønlund’s case has prompted protests in Greenland, with further protests planned in Nuuk, Copenhagen, Reykjavík and Belfast.

                                    Brønlund was told that her baby was removed because of the trauma she had suffered at the hands of her adoptive father, who is in prison for sexually abusing her. The municipality told her she was “not Greenlandic enough” for the new law banning the tests to apply, despite her being born in Greenland of Greenlandic parents.

                                    Local authorities started the testing on her in April – after an announcement in January that the ban was coming in. They completed the tests in June, at which point the law was in force. Brønlund was told three weeks before giving birth that her child would be taken away.

                                    The municipality declined to comment, saying it was bound by confidentiality. But it has admitted to faults in its processes and said it was seeking to ensure the family’s legal requirements were met and “the best possible solution” for the family.

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                                    IMO you shouldn't be allowed to have kids until you've proven you can raise them to live a healthy life in our society.

                                    I'm done letting just a creampie be the test for parenthood.

                                    If we want to responsibly control our populations to be sustainable then we have to transition to a different system of checks and balances for population.

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                                    • D dubyakay@lemmy.ca

                                      "She deserved to get raped at 17 by her step father"

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                                      baltakatei@sopuli.xyz
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                                      “She probably committed some grave sin in her previous life.” — religious leaders of my childhood

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                                      • R rancidmango3000@lemmy.zip

                                        Happiest place in the world...

                                        Denmark is consistently ranked as one of the happiest countries in the world, often coming in second place, just behind Finland, according to the World Happiness Report. Factors contributing to this happiness include strong social support, trust, and a high quality of life

                                        LMFAO

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                                        Ha 4chan chud. Get ‘em gravylicious

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                                        • D derpenheim@lemmy.zip

                                          These laws can never be a good thing. The door to abuse is too easy to open with them.

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                                          I’m perfectly fine not letting retarded parents raise kids

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