What about femdom?
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The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.
I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he's better than me when it comes to that.
One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.
And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like "my father owns the business"(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).
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One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.
And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like "my father owns the business"(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).
Yeah sure but saying that there can be no voluntary hierarchies still seems excessive
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Yes, middle to bottom to top is idiotic and Twitter should be shot.
Twitter should be shot.
Also, * suggestion censored to protect the delicate sensibilities of .world mods and admins*
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Yeah sure but saying that there can be no voluntary hierarchies still seems excessive
I think it’s fair to say that it’s only voluntary if it’s put in place by some consensus (and can be taken away by consensus). Say you work at a coop and all of the leadership is elected and can be easily recalled, then it’s voluntary. Even if you like your boss and don’t want their responsibilities, you ultimately don’t get a choice in the matter.
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One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.
And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like "my father owns the business"(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).
In this case, the hierarchy you've submitted to is the employer's, rather than the boss. You can have successful hierarchies that promote good management, too. Not very common, though.
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The response is easy and obvious.
Femdom is not a real hierarchy. It is a role play. That is why there is aftercare and stuff. To separate daily life and reality from role play.
Like there should be a safe word that ends the role play. There is no "nvm let's not" button in a real hierarchy.
That sounds like a "no true scotsman" argument.
There are plenty of people who seem to have skipped basic history and are perfectly happy to suck up to the next "strongman" leader.
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The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.
I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he's better than me when it comes to that.
Yeah, workplace hierarchies are a thing, and they are voluntary - nobody is keeping you captive at your job.
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Yeah, workplace hierarchies are a thing, and they are voluntary - nobody is keeping you captive at your job.
Foxconn
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I think it’s fair to say that it’s only voluntary if it’s put in place by some consensus (and can be taken away by consensus). Say you work at a coop and all of the leadership is elected and can be easily recalled, then it’s voluntary. Even if you like your boss and don’t want their responsibilities, you ultimately don’t get a choice in the matter.
I mean, its voluntary as i submit to it and even value it. There is too much work for one person to handle, so having a boss who sets priorities, and them having a boss who works at negotiating contracts and dealings to align his business segment to grow and fit inside his bosses view for the whole company so thousands of us can remain employed. Yea i dont want those roles and responsibilities (nor do I have that skillset) and i volunteer to be in this heirarchy
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The response is easy and obvious.
Femdom is not a real hierarchy. It is a role play. That is why there is aftercare and stuff. To separate daily life and reality from role play.
Like there should be a safe word that ends the role play. There is no "nvm let's not" button in a real hierarchy.
Didn't you know?
If you say "sea cucumber" capitalists stop oppressing you. It's our safe word.
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Ok, but... isn't that even stupider? Not to use the reply function that is already there?
I think the idea is that new posts with a picture get better engagement than replies? I don't know if that makes it better, but at least it's an explanation.
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That sounds like a "no true scotsman" argument.
There are plenty of people who seem to have skipped basic history and are perfectly happy to suck up to the next "strongman" leader.
I think the idea is that people being conditioned to suck up to a strongman is a part of the system that institutes the hierarchy. Now, whether or not that idea is valid or not can be debated.
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That sounds like a "no true scotsman" argument.
There are plenty of people who seem to have skipped basic history and are perfectly happy to suck up to the next "strongman" leader.
And once again, someone is missing the point between fantasy and reality.
But let's say you are right, then my point is wrong. It was a response to the femdom claim.
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Didn't you know?
If you say "sea cucumber" capitalists stop oppressing you. It's our safe word.
Oh thanks! Sea cucumber!
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The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.
I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he's better than me when it comes to that.
I just want to point out that trusting in someone's competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work... that is just no Hierarchy.
Let's say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man's deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?
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I just want to point out that trusting in someone's competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work... that is just no Hierarchy.
Let's say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man's deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?
Having a boss is a good indicator that it's a hierarchy though, friend
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I just want to point out that trusting in someone's competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work... that is just no Hierarchy.
Let's say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man's deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?
My boss (as in team leader, not employer) has earned the position by demonstrating better insight, and has the power to force me into tasks I disagree with. So yes it's a hierarchy, an ideal one in this case as the positions are assigned on merit, but even if it wasn't I'd still have the choice to submit to it, to avoid responsibilities or unpleasant tasks.
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The response is easy and obvious.
Femdom is not a real hierarchy. It is a role play. That is why there is aftercare and stuff. To separate daily life and reality from role play.
Like there should be a safe word that ends the role play. There is no "nvm let's not" button in a real hierarchy.
What about lifestyle femdom?
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The response is easy and obvious.
Femdom is not a real hierarchy. It is a role play. That is why there is aftercare and stuff. To separate daily life and reality from role play.
Like there should be a safe word that ends the role play. There is no "nvm let's not" button in a real hierarchy.
While yes, the key thing is that at any point either party can say "nope no longer wanna do this", it's still a hierarchy, but it is mutually agreed upon. (Also, in reality, the sub has the ultimate control in bdsm because of the safe word, and if they don't something is very wrong)
Static unchangable hierarchies are what no one enters voluntarily (at the low end that is).
Even outside of bdsm, it can make perfect sense to establish a hierarchy for e.g. faster response times, or because one person is far more knowledgable about something. It's just important that the people on the lower end can always end it.
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The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.
I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he's better than me when it comes to that.
Ssssh! Or you'll anger the anarchists!
