The ranger only tows 8000 lbs iirc. Not enough for me. I'd probably get a large SUV at that point. I think most people I've met with bigger trucks care mostly about towing capacity vs having a bed.

I agree there is a gap in what you want, I just personally think the use case is less common and not what I want haha.

Everyone I know uses them pretty consistently to tow. I know of one or two people who don't use it well. I think a portion of them probably could get away with a ranger.

In the absence of any real data, trying to roughly include my small suburban town just outside of rural (more used and working class users) anecdotally it wouldn't surprise me to see anywhere between 20-35% of owners not having any sort of real use for their truck. I'd wager that most of those owners are new owners as well.

That's not to say there aren't dumb idiots living in downtown NYC being morons. I just don't think it's remotely as crazy as the fuck cars community would have you believe.

My current daily driver, which I won't upload my own photo of because it's literally enough to dox me (by people who know me IRL), is one of these:

It's not an SUV, but air suspension allows it to rise taller than some crossover SUVs, providing decent clearance. And on the road you can lower and stiffen it for better handling (or keep it in the comfort position for normal height and soft suspension). Both axles are always being driven, with front and rear diff locks being electronic, based on the ESP system.

It doesn't do as much work as your truck, but then I don't live on a farm. If I did, I'd have a truck too. It does however do significantly more work than any of those pavement princesses. In particular, it's been used for towing trailers, I've had the entire trunk, with rear seats folded down, filled when I moved most of my furniture. I've gone off road in it because I needed to go to the woods. Everything was muddy afterwards.

I'll use yank units for the fun of it, so it's got around 250k miles on it. It's a remapped 3.0 diesel, so it does over 40 mpg very easily unloaded, and can keep up with pretty much anything on the road because of the ridiculous amount of torque it puts out. I paid less than 2k EUR for it (paid pretty much exactly 2000 USD given current exchange rates actually). With all the torque it has, you could also easily tow way more than the legal limit of such a vehicle - which I've never needed to.

It's also rusty, scratched up, dented, etc. Some of the unnecessary extras don't work (park distance control? lol no, it's shorted out) It's not the best car I've owned, but it's the best one I've had for getting shit done. 3 months and 6000 miles so far, I've spent ~500 to replace some safety-critical neglected parts (brake, suspension) some of which will last the next 100k miles and some hopefully indefinitely (updated to a newer, more reliable ABS module).

It wasn't cheap for the first person who bought it, but neither are modern trucks. It was cheap to buy used though, unlike trucks. Parts are cheaper too, but that's partly because I'm in Europe.

OK you're an objectively bad driver if you would prefer people with normal licenses driving box trucks. You have made the classic mistake of solving a problem by creating a new one.

Everyone I know uses them pretty consistently to tow.

Is even softer data than what I posted, and softer than the old survey you were complaining about.

I see F350 work trucks all the time but they rarely have stock beds, most of them run a full dedicated tool box usually with ladder racks or a custom bed made of diamond sheet. Same deal for the 550 and 650 if they aren't box trucks.

Your truck reminds me of the garage kept spare cars I see on farms. Sometimes they just live outside near the house but they get driven. Often to pull the bigger trucks out of mud somehow

I can see how 2 can be gamed by car makers, but I don't know how I would fix it. Seems intuitive larger cars will use more fuel, e.g. can't use the same standards on 18 wheelers and sedans.

Are there good alternatives? Is my intuition dead wrong

Tax carbon, by raising gas tax. Let the market figure out the details. This lets the market optimize for efficiency instead of optimize towards defeating the entire point of regulation.

This is actually my fourth vehicle, lifetime. My second was a 97 ranger with the 5 speed and 4 banger. I sold it and missed it so bad I got this one after I lost the car in a flood.

I wish I had AWD/4WD sometimes. That's really the only thing I don't like about the truck.

Before this truck, I had a Malibu, kept folding the seats down, toting 2x4's and such. Ripped sheets plywood in the parking lot with a battery powered saw to fit it in before.

Parts are still pretty cheap for this truck here. They made so many of them. I only gave $3500 for it, but that was before prices on used little trucks jumped so high.

I'm hoping I don't ever have to replace this truck, but if I do, I would be looking at a V6 minivan, especially if I could get in AWD. Gut one of those, and it's basically a little truck. I think it would do everything I needed, better on fuel costs, etc. I'm not much for lifitimg suspensions, but a truck-minivan with AWD I might lift a little to get into standard truck ground clearance range.

Trucks/utility vehicles are tools and should be used and maintained like a good tool. If it doesn't have a few scratches and dents, it's not a real tool.

Yup. I have a play farm, not a real farm. Real farming is an industrial process that requires duallys and such. However, those are also real trucks. Beat to shit, tools in the bed, not lifted so much you can't load them, etc. They look the part. I do also have a 98 Chevy 3500 box truck. Drinks way too much gas to use it for anything other than its purpose, don't even have it registered right now, bad cats.

Yep. But I'm not out hating people over it. I'd actually like to know.

Perfectly fair. You can have what you want. I just want to have what I want.

I'm trying to buy a compact on Autotrader and compacts are selling for more than low-end full size, so I think there's a demand.

hmmmm, this feels wrong, but off the top of my head i don't have many critics. but, like, what if the car makers just make very inefficient, but also very cheap cars? won't people buy that instead?

Sales figures don’t support it. There is some demand, but not enough to redesign the platform to support 2-door. That’s a consequence of unibody design, 2 door is a completely different engineering from 4 door.

2 door trucks are barely available for consumers these days, you practically have to get them off the fleet lots.

Small electric trucks are coming. Slate is marketing like crazy to drive up demand. Telo is struggling to get to market. CAFE killed small gas trucks. That’s probably OK, electric is more suited for small trucks anyway, just need truck people to understand how much better electric is on small platforms vs 4cyl.

Telo is also struggling to get to market and will be a much better choice than Slate if they make it. They’re not nearly as well funded though.

I honestly doubt it they would even look at a smaller vehicle now. Most of the people I run into vastly overestimate their needs in a vehicle. They get a diesel 3/4 ton to tow their 4000lb boat because they "need" the towing capacity to do it. They would not believe that if they got the right model the Maverick, it could easily handle their needs.

I get an insane amount of comments about my work setup when I am fully loaded. "You need a bigger truck." No I fucking don't. It's a F150 with a 16' 10K trailer. The truck's legal towing max is 10,200lbs. It's engine is rated for 13,000lbs. Since I am using it for commercial use I have a maximum towing of 10,000lbs. Any more would require a DOT registration and pay fees crossing state borders etc. It's a well balanced setup that I do around 100 deliveries with per year.

I could go up to a larger setup but the cost/benefit analysis doesn't add up. I would save approximately 5 trips per year (around 20 hours) having a larger capacity but it would cost me $15K more per year in expenses for a 3/4 ton diesel truck and 17K trailer.

I wish I’d never sold mine. It would still be running today if I had kept it.

My wife and I are in the preorder group for the Tello, and I think that might be where you're headed.

It's the size of a 4-door Mini. Because of the packing advantages of batteries and electric motors, it easily puts everything you'd want in a basic truck and then some. It fits a 4x8 sheet flat on its bed (with some hangover out the back) just fine because it doesn't have large wheel well intrusion. The wheels can be small because everything else is small, and that means there's plenty of bed space.

It can also tow 6,600 lbs. So maybe not enough for you, but 6,600 lbs is hardly small. If I wanted to make my Miata into a dedicated track car and trailer it around, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have much issue.

Chapman's "simplify and add lightness" works for trucks, too.

I needed a new vehicle this year and knew I wanted a small truck to help with my forever ongoing home renovation needs. A Ranger was definitely what I was targeting before ultimately falling in love with an 88 Jeep Comanche long bed. Perfect size truck that looks Comically small when parked next to any modern day truck