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  • P professorozone@lemmy.world

    What does collapse even mean? All humanity dies? Fifty percent of humanity dies? Many die and those that don't revert to Mad Max life styles?

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    hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    The general breakdown of civilization,.nad mutiple points of fialuer that.can no longer be papered over.

    and no one.comes bevase theres been too many disasters. A bridge collaoaes and no one foxes it, a wildfire and no firefighters, a hurricane and no one comes to help, the ibtent goes nldown and.doeat come back up again. The lights go off and don't come back on, your toilet doesn't flush and the grocery store has empty shelves.amd no gasoline available etc

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    • P professorozone@lemmy.world

      What does collapse even mean? All humanity dies? Fifty percent of humanity dies? Many die and those that don't revert to Mad Max life styles?

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      skeezix@lemmy.world
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      #34

      no more strawberry frosted doughnuts at Dunks.

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      • hanrahan@slrpnk.netH hanrahan@slrpnk.net

        The general breakdown of civilization,.nad mutiple points of fialuer that.can no longer be papered over.

        and no one.comes bevase theres been too many disasters. A bridge collaoaes and no one foxes it, a wildfire and no firefighters, a hurricane and no one comes to help, the ibtent goes nldown and.doeat come back up again. The lights go off and don't come back on, your toilet doesn't flush and the grocery store has empty shelves.amd no gasoline available etc

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        jomiran@lemmy.ml
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        #35

        Are you ok?

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        • P professorozone@lemmy.world

          What does collapse even mean? All humanity dies? Fifty percent of humanity dies? Many die and those that don't revert to Mad Max life styles?

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          jomiran@lemmy.ml
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          #36

          The collapse of society "as we know it" where we as a species cannot survive by following the same.lifestyle we have depended on in the past.

          Our company helps manage a significant percentage of a critical piece of nationwide infrastructure. With what I see everyday, my wife and I have decided to buy fertile land that can be farmed and has its own source of subterranean water so that we can grow enough food to survive (we already switched to plant based diets). We also are investing heavily so that our home can be "off-grid". Summer is covered, but we are still working on winter power generation.

          We are not at "prepper" level, but if you're building a new home, why not try to build in some resiliency?

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          • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ jomiran@lemmy.ml

            Are you ok?

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            nocklobster@lemmy.world
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            Are you ok drunk? FTFY

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            • hanrahan@slrpnk.netH hanrahan@slrpnk.net

              The general breakdown of civilization,.nad mutiple points of fialuer that.can no longer be papered over.

              and no one.comes bevase theres been too many disasters. A bridge collaoaes and no one foxes it, a wildfire and no firefighters, a hurricane and no one comes to help, the ibtent goes nldown and.doeat come back up again. The lights go off and don't come back on, your toilet doesn't flush and the grocery store has empty shelves.amd no gasoline available etc

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              ameancow@lemmy.world
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              A bridge collaoaes and no one foxes it

              But... I want them to fox the bridges 😞

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              • P professorozone@lemmy.world

                What does collapse even mean? All humanity dies? Fifty percent of humanity dies? Many die and those that don't revert to Mad Max life styles?

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                ameancow@lemmy.world
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                #39

                They've been making these kinds of predictions for a long time. This doesn't mean that there aren't very real existential threats to humanity around every corner, we may well experience a complete disaster, lord knows our logistics chain is delicate and largely ignored and props up everything we care about.

                But what a lot of people miss in all of these predictions, is how adaptable and malleable human life is.

                Will there be flooded cities and shanty-towns across coasts? Probably. Will there be gleaming cities of solar-powered utopia? Also probably. Will there be unrest, crime and war and famine? Absolutely. Will there be new comforts and escapes and new ways to stay safe and protected by your state in return for your attention, your money and your time? Also absolutely. Will it all be fragile? Yes, and it is now as well.

                The future doesn't hold just one thing, it holds many things. The future has always been the same: more of everything and then some. Look at us now, people predicted by this time we would have flying cars and robots... which we do! In some places. But we also still have uncontacted amazonian tribes, so we have everything we had in the previous century plus more.

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                • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                  A scientist has made the shocking claim that there's a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years. Jared Diamond, American scientist and historian, predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050. He told Intelligencer: "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."

                  Diamond explained that fisheries and farms across the globe are being "managed unsustainably", causing resources to be depleted at an alarming rate. He added: "At the rate we’re going now, resources that are essential for complex societies are being managed unsustainably. Fisheries around the world, most fisheries are being managed unsustainably, and they’re getting depleted.

                  "Farms around the world, most farms are being managed unsustainably. Soil, topsoil around the world. Fresh water around the world is being managed unsustainably."

                  The Pulitzer Prize winning author warned that we must come up with more sustainable practices by 2050, "or it'll be too late".

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                  vane@lemmy.world
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                  So that's why I planned to live in mountains and grow my own food. I thought I was high. Thanks Science.

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                  • S skeezix@lemmy.world

                    no more strawberry frosted doughnuts at Dunks.

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                    venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.org
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                    And no more Fortnite Battle Pass®.

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                    • P professorozone@lemmy.world

                      So he's been writing on the topic for 20 years and twenty years ago he predicted that the world would collapse in 45 years?

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                      tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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                      #42

                      Kind of. Definitely said that if we continue to degrade local climates, we could face massive risks to population centers.

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                      • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                        A scientist has made the shocking claim that there's a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years. Jared Diamond, American scientist and historian, predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050. He told Intelligencer: "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."

                        Diamond explained that fisheries and farms across the globe are being "managed unsustainably", causing resources to be depleted at an alarming rate. He added: "At the rate we’re going now, resources that are essential for complex societies are being managed unsustainably. Fisheries around the world, most fisheries are being managed unsustainably, and they’re getting depleted.

                        "Farms around the world, most farms are being managed unsustainably. Soil, topsoil around the world. Fresh water around the world is being managed unsustainably."

                        The Pulitzer Prize winning author warned that we must come up with more sustainable practices by 2050, "or it'll be too late".

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                        tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world
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                        Civilization doesn't equal the world. Life will carry on and heal from the damage us 'smart apes' have done in our hubris.

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                        • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                          A scientist has made the shocking claim that there's a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years. Jared Diamond, American scientist and historian, predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050. He told Intelligencer: "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."

                          Diamond explained that fisheries and farms across the globe are being "managed unsustainably", causing resources to be depleted at an alarming rate. He added: "At the rate we’re going now, resources that are essential for complex societies are being managed unsustainably. Fisheries around the world, most fisheries are being managed unsustainably, and they’re getting depleted.

                          "Farms around the world, most farms are being managed unsustainably. Soil, topsoil around the world. Fresh water around the world is being managed unsustainably."

                          The Pulitzer Prize winning author warned that we must come up with more sustainable practices by 2050, "or it'll be too late".

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                          teolan@lemmy.world
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                          We need to send a bunch of scientists to the edge of the galaxy globe to create a foundation that will help reduce the duration of the chaos to only a millennia.

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                          • T tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world

                            Civilization doesn't equal the world. Life will carry on and heal from the damage us 'smart apes' have done in our hubris.

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                            blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com
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                            Yeah, obviously. But that doesn't do my child a damn bit of good now does it?

                            Is that what you think people are worried about? Planetary death has never really been on the table, that's just the ignorant parroting things that were misunderstood.

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                              Civilization doesn't equal the world. Life will carry on and heal from the damage us 'smart apes' have done in our hubris.

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                              brutticus@midwest.social
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                              "civilization" doesn't even include humanity or technology.

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                              • P professorozone@lemmy.world

                                What does collapse even mean? All humanity dies? Fifty percent of humanity dies? Many die and those that don't revert to Mad Max life styles?

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                                brutticus@midwest.social
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                                This is something historians struggle with, because "Collapse" has happened before, the most famous of which might be the Bronze Age Collapse, or the fall of the western Roman Empire in 473. Needless to say, those didn't result in human extinction, or even the extinction of human habitation in those locations (so Greece was inhabited before the Bronze age collapse, but that predates Classical Greece, which we think of as it's golden age, and one for humanity).

                                Specifically, it was (natural) climate change or political turmoil (those usually go hand in hand) making long established trade routes and subsistence patterns untenable, and with it, destroying the power of the people who controlled that trade. There was a reduction in trade, as the elites had the money to import, and the disposition to distinguish themselves from the lower classes. There was certainly some population reduction, because food was not moving as much, and populations were reduced to what the locality could support. I want to note that at this point, we see migrations (although we do see violence). I want to thank Patrick Wyman's podcast for teaching me this answer.

                                So I think, in this case, I think its likely we see this. The current power structure will probably not survive, although pockets of it may hold on in places, and maybe even survive into the next iteration (so think about the Catholic Church, an ancient roman institution survives to this day). Instead, I expect to see local polities spring up, holding on to or rejecting various aspects of the old world. A process of balkanization implies the rest of the world looks on in horror, but I expect to see some process of it happening everywhere. Immediately, these fragments will resemble the world we recognize, but in the centuries that follow, the world will become unrecognizable to us.

                                I think its also important to note that like, the destruction of the social order, which would suck for a lot of reasons (like the development of technology like vaccines), doesn't necessarily mean a "dark age." Some knowledge was lost (like Roman concrete in the fall of Rome) but I dont think the fall of the modern world precludes the loss of electricity, or motor vehicles, or even something like the telephone.

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                                • B blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com

                                  Yeah, obviously. But that doesn't do my child a damn bit of good now does it?

                                  Is that what you think people are worried about? Planetary death has never really been on the table, that's just the ignorant parroting things that were misunderstood.

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                                  jiggle_physics@sh.itjust.works
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                                  Yeah this is just a diversion from the misanthropic

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                                  • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ jomiran@lemmy.ml

                                    Are you ok?

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                                    halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                    That's all part of the collaspe, even teh lettres crash an the lanugage deteriorat es. That's wat heppens when tha whole world goes into panick mode an evrybody is always on the run.

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                                    • A ameancow@lemmy.world

                                      They've been making these kinds of predictions for a long time. This doesn't mean that there aren't very real existential threats to humanity around every corner, we may well experience a complete disaster, lord knows our logistics chain is delicate and largely ignored and props up everything we care about.

                                      But what a lot of people miss in all of these predictions, is how adaptable and malleable human life is.

                                      Will there be flooded cities and shanty-towns across coasts? Probably. Will there be gleaming cities of solar-powered utopia? Also probably. Will there be unrest, crime and war and famine? Absolutely. Will there be new comforts and escapes and new ways to stay safe and protected by your state in return for your attention, your money and your time? Also absolutely. Will it all be fragile? Yes, and it is now as well.

                                      The future doesn't hold just one thing, it holds many things. The future has always been the same: more of everything and then some. Look at us now, people predicted by this time we would have flying cars and robots... which we do! In some places. But we also still have uncontacted amazonian tribes, so we have everything we had in the previous century plus more.

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                                      bollybing@lemmynsfw.com
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                                      Utopia? Have you see Earth today?

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                                        Utopia? Have you see Earth today?

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                                        ameancow@lemmy.world
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                                        There will be no shortage of wealthy liches who want to create some kind of bubble-city where everything looks perfect. We already have it now, it will just become more stratified and more atomized.

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                                        • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                                          A scientist has made the shocking claim that there's a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years. Jared Diamond, American scientist and historian, predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050. He told Intelligencer: "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."

                                          Diamond explained that fisheries and farms across the globe are being "managed unsustainably", causing resources to be depleted at an alarming rate. He added: "At the rate we’re going now, resources that are essential for complex societies are being managed unsustainably. Fisheries around the world, most fisheries are being managed unsustainably, and they’re getting depleted.

                                          "Farms around the world, most farms are being managed unsustainably. Soil, topsoil around the world. Fresh water around the world is being managed unsustainably."

                                          The Pulitzer Prize winning author warned that we must come up with more sustainable practices by 2050, "or it'll be too late".

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                                          newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                          Calling Jared diamond a historian is just nonsense.

                                          The minute I saw his name I rolled my eyes.

                                          Move along nothing to see here.

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