Right-wingers outraged after school district suspends boys for bullying trans student
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I'm going to circle back around, there was an investigation launched. They don't launch those investigations without evidence. And the boys were suspended, which means that the school board, with their experience dealing with bullies found that this was a situation where a trans boy was being bullied by his peers. The school used it's experience to determine the answer question you posed. And suspended the bullies.
In your comment that I initially replied to, you pushed the idea that these kids truly believe that this is a girl. I think it's far more likely that they know he's trans, and view him as a freak. Calling him a girl wasn't there perception. It was the language they chose to bully someone they see as different.
And incidents like this are why suicide rates are high in the trans population.
Not relevant to this thread. Since you're here though...
...let’s analyze this a bit further… Who’s personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
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Yeah but the human shit stains will just recede back into the woodwork before they can all be identified.
Not this time bro. When the war starts. We have all of their social media posts to give us the identification of all the Nazi’s. Well literally arrest Zuckerberg and take over Facebook and then hunt down the Nazi’s.
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This has gone too far. Conservative media has just become purposeless cruelty. Bullying in any form shouldn't be allowed in school. Its obviously not only inhumane to allow that shit but its a liability for schools.
When was it not? Rush was pretty mean back in the day.
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Frankly, I’m surprised this even happened. I couldn’t care less about how this makes MAGA feel. I’m just glad the kids were seen and those that could- did something to protect them.
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In the video, which became public in May, one boy can be heard asking, “There’s a girl in here?” Another adds, “Why is there a girl? I’m so uncomfortable there is a girl.” Their comments prompted another boy to insist that the trans student leave.
...this is "bulling" is it? In my day, bullying was getting the shit kicked out of me every day. And I didnt even get the worst of it. Kids being assholes has always been a thing, as much as everyone wants to deny it. One kid in my school was held down while another dude pissed in his mouth. We were 7 at the time.
From the article, the trans student entered the boys locker room with a fucking video camera going. But its the boys who felt uncomfortable who that were found responsible for sexual harassment and sex-based discrimination???
I dont like MAGA either, but this is all just so fucking stupid. And its clear as fucking day that none of you read the fucking article.
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When was it not? Rush was pretty mean back in the day.
Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn't been an issue for 20 years. It doesn't take a lot of effort either. Kids just don't see the point, they have better things to do.
If you make an effort you can shut that shit down.
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Looks like it's been misreported as one male saying in the locker room "there's a girl in here" and others saying they felt uncomfortable with a girl there. The school say there's more to it than media covered. Suspending a group for 10 days for expressing discomfort wouldn't be valid, but obviously that's not what happened
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It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.
I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
Anyone else walks into a boys locker room with a camera recording, is going to jail. Instead the victims of this invasion are the ones found to have been sexually harassing the one recording them...
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True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Teenagers are tricky, could have been to document unjust harassment, or it could have been to ragebait the other kids. Without having seen the video, I've no idea which way it went, and even then might be impossible to know without broader context.
Makes it very difficult to fairly cover a potentially nuanced situation since the privacy of underaged kids is important, so we are left with vague second hand reporting.
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True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Funny how we make up excuses for trans kids, when everyone else would rightfully be called out for the shocking invasion of privacy. Fuck that school. And fuck its representatives who had nothing to say about a student filming underage boys in a lockerroom.
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No, I think I got it alright.
and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
I imagine some girls would be equally as uncomfortable with this boy in their locker room. From the perspective of those other boys, there was a girl in their locker room. We need to teach understanding that trans people exist, and they need to use bathrooms and locker rooms as well.
I'm with you on having more availability of gender neutral locker rooms, but until schools either integrate all locker rooms (unlikely, seeing how parents have reacted) or build a 3rd locker room (equally unlikely IMO) then we need to teach about how trans people feel, and replace fear and discomfort with understanding and acceptance.
No, what we need to teach is that its ok to voice opinions that go against the grain of the perpetually online. You cry about trans kids being made to feel uncomfortable by other kids who dont feel comfortable, but you have nothing at all to say about the trans kid walking in filming underage boys in a locker room.
The trans issue is not for children to figure out. Its the schools job to do that. Forcing kids to go to gym, thus forcing them to use the locker room, thus forcing them to be uncomfortable. And you're all scratching your fucking heads of why this happened, and blaming the fucking kids.
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Funny how we make up excuses for trans kids, when everyone else would rightfully be called out for the shocking invasion of privacy. Fuck that school. And fuck its representatives who had nothing to say about a student filming underage boys in a lockerroom.
Sure sure,
On the flipside though, if this student had been verbally and physically harassed multiple times while in the locker room while staff ignored his complaints, then he may have felt compelled to film simply to prevent worse harassment from occuring.
Clearly, there is more going on than what information is publicly available.
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I agree completely and I'm impressed that you were so cordial with @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
You sound like they shouldve been rude instead.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
Think about you HS days. Did you ever here a boy say "I am feeling uncomfortable" and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised... it was march. They knew who the person was. They were calling it out to be mean and make the person uncomfortable or even afraid. They were trying to build momentum and to get others to join in the harassment.
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I agree, but let's analyze this a bit further... Who's personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
Whose*
stay in school lol
