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Trump mandates flag burners face prosecution in one of biggest challenges to the First Amendment in decades

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  • B bitwolf@sh.itjust.works

    If the flag touches the ground, or becomes torn, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to burn it.

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    How about if you molest it with your greasy cheeto fingers for a photo op?

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      phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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      Hmm, the demand for those Trump-Epstein files must still be unabated.

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        phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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        I'm going to start posting videos of myself (suitably masked and with metadata expunged) burning Confederate flags and pictures of Trump.

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          How about if you molest it with your greasy cheeto fingers for a photo op?

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          viking_hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Then you burn the president

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            https://www.vfw.org/media-and-events/latest-releases/archives/2024/1/retiring-old-glory

            Here are the proper procedures for flag disposal, according to VFW:

            The flag should be folded in its customary manner.
            The fire must be large and intense enough to ensure the complete burning of the flag.
            Place the flag on the fire.
            Individuals may come to attention, salute the flag, recite the Pledge of Allegiance and have a brief period of silent reflection.
            After the flag is consumed, the fire should be extinguished and then the ashes buried.
            Make sure you are conforming to local and state fire codes or ordinances.

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            • N neidu3@sh.itjust.works

              Not sure about the US, but what I was taught here in Norway during my time in the army is that the colors are to be separated by cutting the seams so that it is no longer a flag. Then you burn the individual colors. I imagine separating the colors would be a PITA with a US flag.

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              s3rvant@lemmy.ml
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              My son and I were involved with boy scouts for a time. They did separate the colors for retired flags and yes it did take a while.

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                My son and I were involved with boy scouts for a time. They did separate the colors for retired flags and yes it did take a while.

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                zahille7@lemmy.world
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                I feel like a paper cutter could be considered valid for disposing of the flag

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                  launcheskayaks@lemmy.world
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                  Where the Epstein files at dawg

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                    trickdacy@lemmy.world
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                    I thought I remembered a supreme court decision in the past that ruled specifically in favor of protecting flag burning, not that anything established matters anymore. Yay fucking fascism.

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                      https://www.vfw.org/media-and-events/latest-releases/archives/2024/1/retiring-old-glory

                      Here are the proper procedures for flag disposal, according to VFW:

                      The flag should be folded in its customary manner.
                      The fire must be large and intense enough to ensure the complete burning of the flag.
                      Place the flag on the fire.
                      Individuals may come to attention, salute the flag, recite the Pledge of Allegiance and have a brief period of silent reflection.
                      After the flag is consumed, the fire should be extinguished and then the ashes buried.
                      Make sure you are conforming to local and state fire codes or ordinances.

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                      woodscientist@lemmy.world
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                      The proper way to dispose of a US flag is to use it to wipe up cat vomit and then throw it in the garbage. A flag is just a piece of cloth. It's what it represents, the values and ideals behind it, that are important. Obsession with the cloth itself is just a secular form of idolotry. You're treating a flag as some sort of sacred object. Nah, I say deliberately harm and disrespect the flag. If we really are a nation that cares about freedoms, we should deliberately put very little emphasis and reference to symbols like this. Hell, if we really want to celebrate freedom, we should disrespect our flag whenever possible. We should all be using American flag toilet paper. Do this just to show that we're supposed to remember the ideals the flag stands for, not care for the cloth itself.

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                      • W woodscientist@lemmy.world

                        The proper way to dispose of a US flag is to use it to wipe up cat vomit and then throw it in the garbage. A flag is just a piece of cloth. It's what it represents, the values and ideals behind it, that are important. Obsession with the cloth itself is just a secular form of idolotry. You're treating a flag as some sort of sacred object. Nah, I say deliberately harm and disrespect the flag. If we really are a nation that cares about freedoms, we should deliberately put very little emphasis and reference to symbols like this. Hell, if we really want to celebrate freedom, we should disrespect our flag whenever possible. We should all be using American flag toilet paper. Do this just to show that we're supposed to remember the ideals the flag stands for, not care for the cloth itself.

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                        kieron115@startrek.website
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                        There are a bunch of rules around the flag that nobody follows. Like it's technically it's a federal crime to wear clothing that displays the flag, but every redneck I've ever met has a pair of star spangled banner swim trunks. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/chapter-1

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                        • B bitwolf@sh.itjust.works

                          If the flag touches the ground, or becomes torn, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to burn it.

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                          kieron115@startrek.website
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                          Yes, as part of a flag retirement ceremony. Although the code allows for any form of "dignified" destruction.

                          §8. Respect for flag

                          No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

                          (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

                          (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

                          (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free, except as may be necessary in limited circumstances and done in a respectful manner as part of a military or patriotic observance.

                          (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

                          (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

                          (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

                          (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

                          (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

                          (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

                          (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

                          (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

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                          • K kieron115@startrek.website

                            Yes, as part of a flag retirement ceremony. Although the code allows for any form of "dignified" destruction.

                            §8. Respect for flag

                            No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

                            (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

                            (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

                            (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free, except as may be necessary in limited circumstances and done in a respectful manner as part of a military or patriotic observance.

                            (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

                            (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

                            (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

                            (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

                            (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

                            (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

                            (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

                            (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

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                            kieron115@startrek.website
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                            Actually, reading this makes it seem that all those AI pictures of Trump as a super hero are federally illegal if there's a rendering of the U.S. flag on them. hmmmmmmmmmm

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                            • N neidu3@sh.itjust.works

                              Not sure about the US, but what I was taught here in Norway during my time in the army is that the colors are to be separated by cutting the seams so that it is no longer a flag. Then you burn the individual colors. I imagine separating the colors would be a PITA with a US flag.

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                              kieron115@startrek.website
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                              Gotta get one of those star shaped hole punches and take each individual star out! (/sarcasm)

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                              • Z zahille7@lemmy.world

                                I feel like a paper cutter could be considered valid for disposing of the flag

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                                kieron115@startrek.website
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                                Assuming you could use the paper cutter without the flag touching a surface of any kind then sure.

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                                  kieron115@startrek.website
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                                  https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf

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                                  • B buffalox@lemmy.world

                                    Sexually assaulted by Trump, but he thinks he is allowed to because he is rich.

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                                    klear@quokk.au
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                                    In a rare instance he's absolutely correct.

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                                    • K klear@quokk.au

                                      In a rare instance he's absolutely correct.

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                                      buffalox@lemmy.world
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                                      It's still disgusting, but maybe he will walk despite the overwhelming evidence of the assault. 😋

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                                      • V viking_hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Then you burn the president

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                                        aramova@infosec.pub
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                                        Don't you fucking threaten me with a good time.

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                                        • K kieron115@startrek.website

                                          Assuming you could use the paper cutter without the flag touching a surface of any kind then sure.

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                                          neidu3@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Billion(th) dollar business idea: aerial paper cutters / hole punchers. Wanna see invest?

                                          Although, I think it would compete with AGM-114R-9X.

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