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    argumentativemonotheist@lemmy.world
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    Someone please tell me why I shouldn't be optimistic about this.

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    • A argumentativemonotheist@lemmy.world

      Someone please tell me why I shouldn't be optimistic about this.

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      schal330@lemmy.world
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      I don't know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine

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      • S schal330@lemmy.world

        I don't know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.

        https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine

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        arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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        Funny how, according to this article, his stance on Russia/Ukraine is "Palestine should be free". Really concerning stuff.

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        • S schal330@lemmy.world

          I don't know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.

          https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine

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          qevlarr@lemmy.world
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          Don't see that objectionable stuff in there, really. I'm in favour of arming Ukraine. This article is several years old. It's not like Starmer stopped the war either. In fact, I think most Western European politicians have an interest in the war dragging on for as long as possible

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          • qevlarr@lemmy.worldQ qevlarr@lemmy.world

            Don't see that objectionable stuff in there, really. I'm in favour of arming Ukraine. This article is several years old. It's not like Starmer stopped the war either. In fact, I think most Western European politicians have an interest in the war dragging on for as long as possible

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            skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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            Nah, he openly supports the annexation of Crimea (which means he supports the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars).

            The stuff about western leaders wanting the war to drag on as long as possible is a tankie conspiracy theory.

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            • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

              Nah, he openly supports the annexation of Crimea (which means he supports the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars).

              The stuff about western leaders wanting the war to drag on as long as possible is a tankie conspiracy theory.

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              qevlarr@lemmy.world
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              I think it's pretty obvious and I despise tankies. Look at what they're doing, not just what they're saying. Russia is a serious threat and they're finally seeing it. Better to have them fighting in Ukraine than their country

              Edit: speaking of nasty conspiracy theories, btw, Starmerites calling Corbyn an antisemite was really the lowest of the low. Labour has been taken over by neoliberals fighting the left harder than the right

              Edit: oh no I angered the tankies lol

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              • qevlarr@lemmy.worldQ qevlarr@lemmy.world

                I think it's pretty obvious and I despise tankies. Look at what they're doing, not just what they're saying. Russia is a serious threat and they're finally seeing it. Better to have them fighting in Ukraine than their country

                Edit: speaking of nasty conspiracy theories, btw, Starmerites calling Corbyn an antisemite was really the lowest of the low. Labour has been taken over by neoliberals fighting the left harder than the right

                Edit: oh no I angered the tankies lol

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                skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                What they are doing (being slow and inconsistent with weapon deliveries) is driven is by fear and the receptiveness of their electorates to russian sabre rattling (even thought such strategies are openly described in key russian doctrinal texts) and russian propaganda.

                I hate Corbyn, but I don't think he is an anti-semite (or maybe I just don't know enough). There is more than enough things to call him out for beyond vague notions of anti-semitism.

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                • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                  Nah, he openly supports the annexation of Crimea (which means he supports the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars).

                  The stuff about western leaders wanting the war to drag on as long as possible is a tankie conspiracy theory.

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                  arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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                  If he supports it so openly, why is there only evidence of the opposite? Do you need your meds?

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                  • S schal330@lemmy.world

                    I don't know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine

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                    lazylazycat@lemmy.world
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                    You find calling for peace talks concerning?

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                    • A arcane2077@sh.itjust.works

                      If he supports it so openly, why is there only evidence of the opposite? Do you need your meds?

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                      skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                      Don't lie. His fake peacenik organisation recognized Crimea as part of russia.

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                      • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                        Don't lie. His fake peacenik organisation recognized Crimea as part of russia.

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                        arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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                        Imagine being given the opportunity to fact check yourself, and instead choosing to fall deeper into delusion and paranoia. I’m sorry for you

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                        • A arcane2077@sh.itjust.works

                          Imagine being given the opportunity to fact check yourself, and instead choosing to fall deeper into delusion and paranoia. I’m sorry for you

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                          skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                          Keep playing dumb. You don't even speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you're acting like some sort authority with you "opportunity to fact check yourself".

                          You don't know jack shit (and we both know this). Keep pretending otherwise. 😄

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                          • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                            Keep playing dumb. You don't even speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you're acting like some sort authority with you "opportunity to fact check yourself".

                            You don't know jack shit (and we both know this). Keep pretending otherwise. 😄

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                            arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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                            Here’s a hint: You will never come up with a source for your beliefs because you’d have to admit you’ve been played first.

                            It’s human to fall for it now and then. You’re amongst the majority.

                            I hope you get help

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                            • A arcane2077@sh.itjust.works

                              Here’s a hint: You will never come up with a source for your beliefs because you’d have to admit you’ve been played first.

                              It’s human to fall for it now and then. You’re amongst the majority.

                              I hope you get help

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                              skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                              Nah, you talk big but you can't even state Corbyn's idiotic position on the full scale invasion of Ukraine without looking it up first (if you actually knew, you would have brought it up because it makes a very specific reference for someone in the UK, it's been parroted by other fake leftists too).

                              I don't need to do a web search, because I know Corbyn's position:

                              • He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
                              • He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
                              • His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
                              • He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion.

                              I don't even need to do a web search for this, because this relatively common knowledge in Ukraine (among people who know who Corbyn is).

                              But sure, Mr. Arcane2077, who doesn't even speak Ukrainian or russian claims to be more knowledgeable than someone who lives in Ukraine and where collaboration with russians by scum such a Corbyn is widely reported.

                              Own your ignorance my man, don't keep digging into the hole of stupidity that characterizes your knowledge of the relevant issues.

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                                Nah, you talk big but you can't even state Corbyn's idiotic position on the full scale invasion of Ukraine without looking it up first (if you actually knew, you would have brought it up because it makes a very specific reference for someone in the UK, it's been parroted by other fake leftists too).

                                I don't need to do a web search, because I know Corbyn's position:

                                • He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
                                • He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
                                • His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
                                • He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion.

                                I don't even need to do a web search for this, because this relatively common knowledge in Ukraine (among people who know who Corbyn is).

                                But sure, Mr. Arcane2077, who doesn't even speak Ukrainian or russian claims to be more knowledgeable than someone who lives in Ukraine and where collaboration with russians by scum such a Corbyn is widely reported.

                                Own your ignorance my man, don't keep digging into the hole of stupidity that characterizes your knowledge of the relevant issues.

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                                arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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                                You keep pretending I’m speaking with authority when asking for a source for your outlandish claims.
                                Says more about you than me lmao

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                                • S schal330@lemmy.world

                                  I don't know a great deal, but his stance on the Russia/Ukraine war concerns me.

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-urges-west-to-stop-arming-ukraine

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                                  nialv7@lemmy.world
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                                  He is anti war. He has been anti war for decades and decades. He is authentic and consistent on this issue. I don't agree how he is applying that principle on Russia Ukraine, but I respect his opinion.

                                  And that's democracy, which is what his new party is making promises of - it will be a bottom up, grass-root and democratic party. So I am not too concerned with Corbyn's personal opinion.

                                  (And like, the detractors are so fixated on this issue. They literally have nothing else to say, no other critics to offer. You mention Corbyn and immediately they are like "oH wHat aBoUt Russia-Ukraine" (a few years ago it was "oH bUt He iS an aNtiSemIte???"), as if that is the single most significant problem Britain is facing right now?? not housing, not NHS, not education, not the gutting of the wealth of the working class??? Talking about single issue voters. (sorry about the rant))

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