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  • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    devolution@lemmy.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
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    devolution@lemmy.world
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    Oh my god receiving consequences for being a shit head violates my 1st amendment rights!!!

    Fuck them.

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    • unconsequential@slrpnk.netU unconsequential@slrpnk.net

      And right wing iPads. They’re absorbing some really terrible stuff without supervision, or even with mild supervision and guidance it still gets through.

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      paraphrand@lemmy.world
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      And blocking kids from those platforms isn’t the answer.

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      • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

        Crybullying is a tactic we let work far too often.

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        paraphrand@lemmy.world
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        lol I read cyber bullying, whoops

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        • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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          starryphoenix97@lemmy.world
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          I don't give a shit if the student is trans or not. Bullying is bullying and SHOULD result in suspension. This shouldn't even be a fucking story but here we are because a parent can't take accountability for the fact that their kid was acting shitty

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          • devolution@lemmy.worldD devolution@lemmy.world

            Oh my god receiving consequences for being a shit head violates my 1st amendment rights!!!

            Fuck them.

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            starryphoenix97@lemmy.world
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            #13

            Real talk the 1st amendment doesn't apply in school or other private institutions.

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            • S starryphoenix97@lemmy.world

              Real talk the 1st amendment doesn't apply in school or other private institutions.

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              devolution@lemmy.world
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              #14

              Won't stop them from playing the victim.

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              • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                jordanlund@lemmy.world
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                As usual, the cruelty is the point!

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                • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

                  Crybullying is a tactic we let work far too often.

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                  vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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                  I dealt with them enough people that my response to crybulling is to laugh in their face and dare them to throw a punch. Which is surprisingly effective when you are a five five dude who pulls off the wildman look quite well.

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                  • P pattymcb@lemmy.world

                    If there had been a person with a vagina in the boys locker room in high school, I'd have been happy about that as a teenager.

                    At the very least i wouldn't be butthurt about it. How about we don't bully people at all, huh?

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                    theoctonaut@mander.xyz
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                    Can we not do the "boys should be grateful" thing please? It's one step away from "Niiiice" and two away from "An erection is consent". It's not particularly helpful yo reduce a transmasc to "a person with a vagina" either.

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                    • paraphrand@lemmy.worldP paraphrand@lemmy.world

                      And blocking kids from those platforms isn’t the answer.

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                      fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
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                      I got in to two separate arguments on the internet over this today.

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                      • S starryphoenix97@lemmy.world

                        Real talk the 1st amendment doesn't apply in school or other private institutions.

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                        baronvonj@lemmy.world
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                        First amendment absolutely applies in public schools.

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                        • baronvonj@lemmy.worldB baronvonj@lemmy.world

                          First amendment absolutely applies in public schools.

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                          onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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                          Depends on the situation, but schools act in loco parentis, assuming the responsibility of the parent while the child is in their custody.

                          The legal argument, which has been upheld by courts, is that parents don't have to respect 1st amendment rights regarding the discipline of their children, so therefore schools don't either.

                          And it makes sense if you think about it. A kid shouldn't be able to disrupt class, sling racial slurs, verbally assault another student or teacher, etc. with impunity. The situation in the article is a prime example of this.

                          I also found out the hard way that they don't have to respect your 5th and 6th amendment rights either, as I was questioned without being read my rights, and that was used against me in court.

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                          • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

                            I got in to two separate arguments on the internet over this today.

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                            paraphrand@lemmy.world
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                            The kids should be free to participate in all platforms

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                            • O onslaught545@lemmy.zip

                              Depends on the situation, but schools act in loco parentis, assuming the responsibility of the parent while the child is in their custody.

                              The legal argument, which has been upheld by courts, is that parents don't have to respect 1st amendment rights regarding the discipline of their children, so therefore schools don't either.

                              And it makes sense if you think about it. A kid shouldn't be able to disrupt class, sling racial slurs, verbally assault another student or teacher, etc. with impunity. The situation in the article is a prime example of this.

                              I also found out the hard way that they don't have to respect your 5th and 6th amendment rights either, as I was questioned without being read my rights, and that was used against me in court.

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                              traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                              Have you seen the courts lately? they've turned themselves into a farce with ever more flagrant anti-constitutional rulings. Citing them doesn't hold the gravity it once did

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                              • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                                cocopanda@lemmy.world
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                                This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.

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                                • C cocopanda@lemmy.world

                                  This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.

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                                  simsalabim@lemmy.world
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                                  You seem to be very convinced that the weapon hoarding 2nd amendment people will lose...

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                                  • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                                    fedizen@lemmy.world
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                                    This has gone too far. Conservative media has just become purposeless cruelty. Bullying in any form shouldn't be allowed in school. Its obviously not only inhumane to allow that shit but its a liability for schools.

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                                    • paraphrand@lemmy.worldP paraphrand@lemmy.world

                                      The kids should be free to participate in all platforms

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                                      magikmw@piefed.social
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                                      My opinion: no.
                                      Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.

                                      Hell, most adults probably aren't.
                                      But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.

                                      Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.

                                      I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.

                                      I do agree with the stated goals tho.

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                                      • F floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                                        ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                                        Everyone else surprised that a school district would take any action at all against any bully, let alone one bullying a trans student.

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                                        • M magikmw@piefed.social

                                          My opinion: no.
                                          Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.

                                          Hell, most adults probably aren't.
                                          But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.

                                          Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.

                                          I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.

                                          I do agree with the stated goals tho.

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                                          unconsequential@slrpnk.net
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                                          I agree with this. I don’t think any of the legislation put forward, in multiple countries, with the stated goals of “protecting the children” are actually meant to protect the children. If they were I would indeed support them because I have watched friends struggle with their children. But I’m not entirely sure legislating this problem away is even possible.

                                          But parents I know can sit right next to their kids while they have screen time and some of the stuff that gets sent to their children’s devices is questionable. It’s a lot of emotional and mental labor constantly on parents to course correct some of that sometimes sneaky content. And this is a dual working home who are already stretched thin on time and energy. And banning the older children from devices altogether is pretty much impossible because of school and peers.

                                          I saw a post the other day and it made a valid point. When we were kids there seemed to be a lot more sites with games and stuff geared toward children like Neopets and I remember Gaiaonline fondly. Were there some questionable things? Sure, it was the Wild West of the Internet and I had like zero and I mean zero supervision online, but there just seemed to be more stuff explicitly for kids. Games, interactive educational sites, chats and forums. Not just “versions” of things for kids.

                                          Perhaps I am missing something? Someone please jump in if I am misguided on the apps and sites available today. I would gladly pass that info along to some pairs of parents I know.

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