Something that is kind of a broad suggestion but it keeps bubbling up in my mind is the potential for some of these fediverse social platforms to be well situated to function as community knowledge bases.

To put it another way, why are these fediverse softwares restricted to sharing and federating content along the axis of time?

The thing I value most about reddit-like/internet forum like communities is they provide an amazing context to learn new things, especially things you didn't even know you didn't know.

At this point in time we are still stuck seeing social media as a goal unto itself, you interact online socially because you desire to interact online socially. This is all well and good, but similar to how Mobilizon helps facilitate that connection growing into something meaningful in the real world (events you can attend!) I am interested in ways in which fediverse software can be designed to help facilitate organically building community knowledge bases out of online social interaction.

As to what that specifically looks like, well... I guess I am suggesting some kind of wiki-like system and I know that isn't a new suggestion but I think people mistakenly see this kind of feature request as mission creep rather than a natural next step for burgeoning communities of niche experts who could solidify that sense of place into a real beacon for the internet on that topic by collating conversations into community posts of information and links. Specifically I think it would be fascinating to have a wiki like database where the source links for information stated on the wiki are sourced back to comments/conversations in threads on that community (which would source to external sources of course).. I think it would make the entire process of communities producing a formalized organized knowledge base much more transparent, organic and frictionless.

To put it another way, I challenge the Mobilizon team to think about "whats next?" after you make an event and connect people, what is the intended impact? I think the next step is to create a natural platform for both interaction/events and knowledge where conversations about events can naturally evolve into more formalized posts of information through whatever community mechanisms best fit that particular community.

Events and interaction feed into knowledge and vice versa, as of yet no social media corporation or community project has effectively grasped this as the central dynamo that powers online communities people actually value. I think Mobilizon because it is positioned as an event organizer for the fediverse is in someways uniquely situated to navigate that connection point successfully and show people what social media can really become if we see it as more than just cigarettes but for your smartphone.

Piefed has a built-in wiki system for communities

!fediverse@piefed.social for an example

@Snoopy@tarte.nuage-libre.fr

oh, somehow I missed that heck yes!

edit I checked out piefed's wiki some more, nothing groundbreaking but that isn't the point, there is a simple elegance to having a nice thorough wiki capability right there alongside associated threads that can help curate content to add to the community wiki over time. I am impressed and very excited!

How does editing and submitting content to a particular piefed communities wiki work? That is the crux for me, I don't want these tools to essentially just be more fiddly stuff for the admins/moderators to maintain, I am not suggesting chaos but rather that a regular user could submit a perspective, a particular organization and contextualization of information already existing on the community and it could exist in conversation with divergent perspectives on the same body of conversation and knowledge.

Yeah the wiki is basic but it does its job. I enjoy a lot creating wiki and create lot ressource. It takes time but overtime it will be very valuable. :3

If you are interested, you can invite sopuli to create piefed instance if they haven't. There is lot cool feature that will boost your experience.

So what wiki do you want to create ?

oh, somehow I missed that heck yes!

edit I checked out piefed's wiki some more, nothing groundbreaking but that isn't the point, there is a simple elegance to having a nice thorough wiki capability right there alongside associated threads that can help curate content to add to the community wiki over time. I am impressed and very excited!

How does editing and submitting content to a particular piefed communities wiki work? That is the crux for me, I don't want these tools to essentially just be more fiddly stuff for the admins/moderators to maintain, I am not suggesting chaos but rather that a regular user could submit a perspective, a particular organization and contextualization of information already existing on the community and it could exist in conversation with divergent perspectives on the same body of conversation and knowledge.

oh, somehow I missed that heck yes!

edit I checked out piefed's wiki some more, nothing groundbreaking but that isn't the point, there is a simple elegance to having a nice thorough wiki capability right there alongside associated threads that can help curate content to add to the community wiki over time. I am impressed and very excited!

How does editing and submitting content to a particular piefed communities wiki work? That is the crux for me, I don't want these tools to essentially just be more fiddly stuff for the admins/moderators to maintain, I am not suggesting chaos but rather that a regular user could submit a perspective, a particular organization and contextualization of information already existing on the community and it could exist in conversation with divergent perspectives on the same body of conversation and knowledge.

So what wiki do you want to create ?

I have ideas, mostly very simple things like an easy to collate and edit list of game reviews on a gaming community that you could without too much fuss link to various different comments/threads where those games were actually reviewed by people. All I am saying is a somewhat more loosely formalized "check out discussion on this thread" kind of thing that would provide a touchstone for people curious to sift back through a community with lots of interesting posts.

To me the crux of the question is time though, on a corporate social media platform eternal newness is essential to the growth of the cancer. The past is always a distraction, liability and potential problematic solution to a profitable current problem.

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I think we have the opportunity with fediverse softwares like piefed to be utterly unbound by that constraint however and reconsider how maybe older posts are just as valuable, and that they represent grist for remixing and refocusing from future fediverse users into new forms of knowledge. ... and no not AI I mean human curated wikis with information presented in ways that are meaningful for humans learning things.

What I want is for that to be a potentially organic process, for the next step of seeing a bunch of different recommendations for music fx plugins on a music production community to naturally say "hey I could weave these together into something useful for others!", create a wiki post with a list and links to the various threads that recommended the plugins with the context therein and then... why not have there be the next natural step of putting that kind of information in a wiki context along with music production education resource links and threads about how to learn how to actually use those fx tools?

I guess to TL;DR my point, through our relationship with online internet forums/"reddit-likes" concerned with a hobby or specific interest we desire to learn more about we all have to already all do this internally in our heads, why not make it so that people don't have to re-duplicate all that work? Or more importantly that people can share their "perspectives" and learn from how others might see the same body of conversation, interaction and knowledge?

What I am suggesting isn't quite a wiki, because while I think that is a great next step for fediverse softwares like piefed, I think there is a more radical potential in rather than expecting moderators/people with elevated community privileges to do all the work of collating community posts into wikis that can properly represent the community in a semi-official way .... allowing a new form of fediverse content that is composed at an atomic level of references to posts/threads/comments on a community with some attached context added by a user as a possible "perspective" on the community. Either these perspectives could be public and upvote/downvotable or they could function as an easy way to submit content to moderators of a community to approve or disapprove to add to a collective knowledge base (most reddit-like communities implement this by hand through the use of the sidebar and sticky posts along with DMs to the mods to submit things to those shared knowledge bases).

To make this practical, with music plugins instead of having an informal process where the moderator of a music production community does all the work of finding references to music plugins and writes the wiki post about plugin recommendations entirely themselves or they have to informally communicate with somebody who has and then upload their work.. why not have an avenue of fediverse interaction be a new post view where people can submit "perspectives" of fediverse posts that package fediverse post/threads/comments together into useful packages that can be of immense practical help to people learning about that niche area of expertise but that doesn't introduce a level of authority or bias that makes community conflict resolution around controversies so much more of a headache for whoever is in charge of making official statements/documents for online communities.

Why does this matter? Consider the awkwardness of being a moderator of a large music production community with many boutique plugin developers who regularly comment, argue and generally just hang out in the community and desiring for the community to have a list of recommended music fx plugins without creating friction in the community or imposing a certain bias that could never represent the full diversity of views and opinions in the community.

Well... if users could submit "perspectives" that would collate together references to different music fx plugin recommendations throughout threads on the community that meaningfully creates permission to be creative and weave things together without having to feel like it is creating a story that risks confining the community to only what the people running it think.

To bring this back to Mobilizon, I think it is reasonable to pose the same questions about events and the knowledge around them. What if there was a literal way to make a fediverse post that contextualized a series of Mobilizon events into a narrative that could be resubmitted as a form of fediverse content either to Mobilizon or in a way that would easily connect with Mobilizon?

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To make this specific to Mobilizon with an example, wouldn't it be cool if a fediverse user who regularly attended a monthly makerspace/diy-project-share-and-help meetups that are posted on Mobilizon could create a post sharing context from each of the events they attended together into a new experience/post that might be meaningful to people? They could submit knowledge, context and story to a community without having to express it as necessarily the official stance or perspective of the entire community but rather a particular users perspective on a series of fediverse events/posts and how they connect through individual experiences.

Maybe Mobilizon isn't the best platform for that but then I would say Mobilizon should focus on building a nice simple elegant way for other fediverse softwares to do that!

Like this ? Sorry, they are french post :

• list of video game : https://jlai.lu/post/6580021
• list of post classed by theme : https://jlai.lu/post/6627535

Yeah it's just for mods at present. But I like where you're going with the building-community-knowledge angle and can definitely see why opening up the access and integrating it better with posts would be a nice change!

Yeah it's just for mods at present. But I like where you're going with the building-community-knowledge angle and can definitely see why opening up the access and integrating it better with posts would be a nice change!

Yes ok that is pretty much it or close, very cool!