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  • signtist@bookwyr.meS signtist@bookwyr.me

    I always felt like this was a weird argument. Language is always in flux. It's why the definition of "literally" now includes a definition that it's a synonym of "figuratively" since people used it that was so much.

    If enough people think gif should be pronounced like "god", then it should. If the "jif" pronunciation has enough people who use it, then that's valid, too. Hell, if a bunch of people started legitimately saying it should be a homonym with the word "plankton," even that'd be valid.

    Words are about conveying meaning; the same meaning is intended with both pronunciations, and understood by the people hearing it. There's nothing to argue about.

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    happyfullfridge@lemmy.ml
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    the "literally means figuratively now" argument is stupid, saying it in non literal scenarios is used as hyperbole. You would never say "I'm figuratively dying of thirst"

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      papastevesy@lemmy.world
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      Right? If the creator of jpeg came and said "It's actually pronounced 'Jay-pej'," people would just laugh at them.

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      • T tyler@programming.dev

        In this case, he chose to name it GIF which is, believe it or not, pronounced gif in the English language. If he wanted to have it sound like jif, he should have named it JIF.

        Incorrect. There are ZERO rules that decide whether a word starts with a hard g or a soft g.

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        grimy@lemmy.world
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_G

        There are patterns so to speak. Rules isn't the right word. In any case, my whole point is that rules or what the creator wants dont matter.

        The proper prononciation is the most common and widely used one since languages are constantly evolving.

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        • T tyler@programming.dev

          That’s just incorrect. Multiple studies have shown that how you think a word is pronounced is based on other words you know, not what the actual pronunciation is. When I first saw the word gif, I pronounced it with a soft g. Turns out that’s the correct pronunciation (because it’s a product name, not a random word) but if I had happen to have heard a hard g word more recently then I probably would have thought it was pronounced the wrong way.

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          grimy@lemmy.world
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          The closest word to gif is gift for me. I think that's the conclusion most come to and why the hard G is the most common.

          A pronunciation that is common and widespread becomes the correct way to say something. Languages are constantly evolving and in movement. They don't care for what a few or even the words creator want.

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            linearity@infosec.pub
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            Linearity uses LASER ARGUMENT!

            LASER is actually an acronym that stands for “Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation” however it is widely pronounced as “lazer”.

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            • T tyler@programming.dev

              Because the words inside an acronym have no bearing on how the acronym is pronounced. And in this case, it’s not just as acronym. It’s a product name, where the creators get to choose to name it whatever the fuck they want. “Choosy developers choose gif”. So there’s plenty of reasons it should be using a soft g and zero reasons it should be using a hard g.

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              wilder@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Thought this was a funny joke but I genuinely regret posting this, didn’t realize it would bring in all the redditors.

              We’re in a shitposting sub, it’s really not that serious.

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                cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
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                jif is peanut butter not meme

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                • M mokus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                  Nice gimmick. Counterpoint: this GIF of some giggly git giving a gilt gizzard and a large haggis to a giddy girl named Gidget. (GIF omitted because I made it tf up). Incidentally, not a single one of your examples included “gi” followed by “f”.

                  Incidentally, I pronounce it “jif”, I just think appealing to English as if it had actual rules is insane.

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                  tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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                  Yeah I pulled it out originally because I was tired of people saying that "gi" is almost always hard g, and I don't think the lack of f makes a difference (because English spelling rules are silly, like you say. In the other thread I mentioned that just because the word "women" exists we don't pronounce every "wom" sequence with a short i sound).

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