Are you actually pretending that there was any kind of organic internal conflict without russian influence?

Why is that so absurd? Donetsk and Luhansk are russian-speaking and were vitally economically dependant on Russia. They were afraid that Kyiv politically focusing on Europe would be disastrous for their economy.

I'm not arguing that Russia didn't have any interests there, that Russia didn't do some weird insurgency crap. I'm also not saying that it payed of for the poor sods who lived there. But believing that Ukraine would have been completely united after Euromaidan (which was allegedly also helped by western forces) if it weren't for Putin is naive.

You don't have to be "good" to be incomparably better than ruzzia

I'm not in the business of comparing imperialists. I oppose them all. And my (very limited) sphere of influence doesn't reach into Russia. I can't do anything against Putin. I am however living in a NATO member counrty. And Karl Liebknechtput it best:

The main enemy of every people is in their own country

I'm not in the business of comparing imperialists.

You're gonna have to point out which territories NATO has annexed. What a load of nonsense.

The main enemy of every people is in their own country

Agreed, the ruzzian-funded puppets in their own country

Agreed, the ruzzian-funded puppets in their own country

What? Is that absurd? You must've missed the tenet media story, among the pile of other ones.

You would've been the best cannon fodder in WW1.

You first vatnik

Since you obviously didn't get the 'main enemy' bit

Edit: So, apparently condemning both Russian and western imperialism makes you a "vatnik", huh. /s Should I call you a Yankee, then?

I don't care about your meaningless pontificating. You either dodge questions because you have no valid response or just shit out garbage with no substance.

I could accuse you of the same. Why keep replying?

You could accuse, but the evidence suggests you'd be wrong. Still waiting on that list of territories that NATO has annexed. For someone who's so "concerned" about imperialism, you sure do carry a lot of water for what is likely the biggest offender of the past two decades.

You could accuse, but the evidence suggests you'd be wrong. Still waiting on that list of territories that NATO has annexed. For someone who's so "concerned" about imperialism, you sure do carry a lot of water for what is likely the biggest offender of the past two decades.

Your point of this conversation is to make a moralistic argument of how evil Russia is. Moralistic arguments don't really work when you're trying to understand politics.

I agree that Russia is committing atrocities. You failed to give a reason why this is happening, other than "they are evil".

You're telling me what my point is now, lol?

If you say so. As I said: I'm not in the business of comparing imperialists and I don't have the power to influence anything in Russia. That's why I'm focusing on the imperialist that I can affect (even if just slightly).

They never specified how long these days were gonna be!

As I said: I'm not in the business of comparing imperialists

That's just shorthand for "I want to dodge any of the details/nuance because the facts are not on my side".

If you say so...

Disengage

But not Palestine I bet. Thanks for showing us who you are, Germany.

That's what you're doing.

If you read the comment that I was originally responding to:

NATO has basically been on the same path since its conception (check the Nazis that ended up in NATO high command!), but of course, two wrongs don't make a right.

... you'll see that I was addressing the thought that Russia and NATO basically have the same goals, (i.e. imperialism), which any thinking person can see is false.