Germany debates sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine
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The russians are getting worried, you can clearly see this by their recent uprise in bot activity
russians are running a bot network on very niche nerd site lemmy
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russians are running a bot network on very niche nerd site lemmy
If I had dollar for every time I read about how "Russian propaganda doesn't exist btw (also reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias)" or something along those lines, I'd be a rich man.
If you're a bad actor, ofc you're gonna gravitate towards platforms without a centralised authority who could stop you from spreading your bullshit.
But you already know this. ;>
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But not Palestine I bet. Thanks for showing us who you are, Germany.
Yeah, ironic that Germany seems to be siding with fascists again
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Russia claims that it's stopping a genocide. Not claiming that they are correct. just that in every invasion in the history of the world the agressor had a justification ready of defending themselves or some weak ally.
I don't see how the length of a war has anything to do with the justifications of the invasion. Russia didn't have the military force to reach their goals against Ukraine which received aide from the west. Yugoslavia was in a significantly worse position against NATO without any allies that could help them significantly. How does that justify the invasion of NATO?
You asked for a comparable scenario and received an answer. Now you're trying to no-true-schotsman yourself out of your premise. Just stop.
Russia claims that it's stopping a genocide. Not claiming that they are correct.
It matters if one claim is true and the other isn't though, kinda important. Also, russia is stealing territory and have constantly given different bs reasons for what they are doing. NATO saw a genocide, halted it and left. These are not comparable at all.
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Russia claims that it's stopping a genocide. Not claiming that they are correct.
It matters if one claim is true and the other isn't though, kinda important. Also, russia is stealing territory and have constantly given different bs reasons for what they are doing. NATO saw a genocide, halted it and left. These are not comparable at all.
Not if you're trying to understand why nation states are doing things and you're not incredibly naive.
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Not if you're trying to understand why nation states are doing things and you're not incredibly naive.
Any detail/specifics with these generic vapid assertions?
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Any detail/specifics with these generic vapid assertions?
Donezk and Luhansk were actually attacked by Ukrainian forces since the Euromaidan. So if your justification is that "NATO wanted to stop a genocide", then you'd have to also do some research on the justification Russia claimed.
In the end, this is a hopeless endeavor, though. Nations go to war for strategic reasons, not moral ones. And people continuosly want to ignore the strategic interests of the west, claiming that it only wants to "help Ukraine", while claiming that Russia wants to return to Czardom. Both interpretations ignore the strategic motivations.
I don't think that going into detail would help anything. I don't think I'll be able to convince you that nations or their treaty organisations do anything because of a moral imperative.
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Donezk and Luhansk were actually attacked by Ukrainian forces since the Euromaidan. So if your justification is that "NATO wanted to stop a genocide", then you'd have to also do some research on the justification Russia claimed.
In the end, this is a hopeless endeavor, though. Nations go to war for strategic reasons, not moral ones. And people continuosly want to ignore the strategic interests of the west, claiming that it only wants to "help Ukraine", while claiming that Russia wants to return to Czardom. Both interpretations ignore the strategic motivations.
I don't think that going into detail would help anything. I don't think I'll be able to convince you that nations or their treaty organisations do anything because of a moral imperative.
Donezk and Luhansk were actually attacked by Ukrainian forces since the Euromaidan.
You mean when russia invaded Ukraine and fomented a war in those regions?
So if your justification is that "NATO wanted to stop a genocide", then you'd have to also do some research on the justification Russia claimed.
Russia's claims are weak. It's quite obvious that they've recycled the nazi Sudetenland strategy as they've done multiple times to invade neighbours. Start a war using your "little green men", then use the fighting you started to claim the "genocide of russian-speakers" and ride that excuse into invasion and annexation. That should be obvious, if you're not incredibly naive.
