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  • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

    US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

    In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

    He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

    Claiming regions

    Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

    But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

    Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

    'Troops important'

    That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

    US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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    #3

    Why is the “translated source article”, which is already in English, completely different from the actual article itself? Other than maybe one pull quote, none of what is on the post is actually from the linked article

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    • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

      US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

      In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

      He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

      Claiming regions

      Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

      But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

      Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

      'Troops important'

      That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

      US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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      betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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      Maybe the Russians should just get the fuck back to Russia and stay there. How hard is that?

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      • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

        US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

        In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

        He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

        Claiming regions

        Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

        But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

        Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

        'Troops important'

        That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

        US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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        i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de
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        He must have meant "piece of Ukraine." The aggressors just want piece.

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        • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

          US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

          In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

          He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

          Claiming regions

          Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

          But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

          Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

          'Troops important'

          That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

          US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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          linktank@lemmy.today
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          They're literally the aggressors??????????

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          • toastedravioli@midwest.socialT toastedravioli@midwest.social

            Why is the “translated source article”, which is already in English, completely different from the actual article itself? Other than maybe one pull quote, none of what is on the post is actually from the linked article

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            thepantser@sh.itjust.works
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            It's translated to AIglish

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            • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

              US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

              In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

              He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

              Claiming regions

              Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

              But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

              Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

              'Troops important'

              That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

              US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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              What a joker!

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              • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                Claiming regions

                Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                'Troops important'

                That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                hk65@sopuli.xyz
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                I have a feeling that Vance is the pro-Russia voice in Trumpworld now. Trump is a weathervane, and Vance is a bit on the periphery looking in from Europe, since he never got to say anything while the EU/NATO people were there. We also know of his personal hatred toward Europe.

                I sincerely hope the US doesn't elect him next.

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                • H hk65@sopuli.xyz

                  I have a feeling that Vance is the pro-Russia voice in Trumpworld now. Trump is a weathervane, and Vance is a bit on the periphery looking in from Europe, since he never got to say anything while the EU/NATO people were there. We also know of his personal hatred toward Europe.

                  I sincerely hope the US doesn't elect him next.

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                  ramble81@lemmy.zip
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                  “Elect” — small problem, if the bloated Cheeto bites the dust before the 2028 election, he becomes Couch-fucker-in-Chief automatically. Nothing we can do on our end.

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                  • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                    US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                    In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                    He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                    Claiming regions

                    Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                    But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                    Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                    'Troops important'

                    That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                    US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                    tiger@sh.itjust.works
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                    I hate Vance so much, even more than Trump.

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                    • L linktank@lemmy.today

                      They're literally the aggressors??????????

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                      dicjacobus@lemmy.world
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                      Argument doesn't compute with these people. They believe in realpolotik and "realism"

                      Aka. Russia has nukes. So they get to do what they want. So does America

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                      • R ramble81@lemmy.zip

                        “Elect” — small problem, if the bloated Cheeto bites the dust before the 2028 election, he becomes Couch-fucker-in-Chief automatically. Nothing we can do on our end.

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                        palordrolap@fedia.io
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                        Nothing legal, no.

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                        • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                          US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                          In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                          He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                          Claiming regions

                          Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                          But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                          Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                          'Troops important'

                          That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                          US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                          scarabic@lemmy.world
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                          Oohhhh they “conceded” a bunch of stuff they don’t even have. They compromised on their wildest fantasies to get a sweetheart deal.

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                          • T tiger@sh.itjust.works

                            I hate Vance so much, even more than Trump.

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                            scarabic@lemmy.world
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                            Yeah JV Dunce actually had a choice not to be this way and he chucked it. Unlike Trump, who wakes up daily trapped in the hell of actually being Donald Trump, JV Dunce signed up for this and continues to double down.

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                            • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                              US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                              In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                              He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                              Claiming regions

                              Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                              But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                              Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                              'Troops important'

                              That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                              US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                              bussygyatt@feddit.org
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                              Who is looking this man in the eye and calling him a liar, in public? Who is actually calling him on his bullshit, to his face?

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                              • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                                US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                                In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                                He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                                Claiming regions

                                Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                                But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                                Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                                'Troops important'

                                That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                                US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                                phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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                                Translation: Russia, Vance and Trump are working against a possible peace deal.

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                                • D dicjacobus@lemmy.world

                                  Argument doesn't compute with these people. They believe in realpolotik and "realism"

                                  Aka. Russia has nukes. So they get to do what they want. So does America

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                                  phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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                                  The US had nukes and still lost in Vietnam and in Afghanistan. Russia also lost in Afghanistan before the US did.

                                  Having nukes doesn't mean you always get your way.

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                                    I have a feeling that Vance is the pro-Russia voice in Trumpworld now. Trump is a weathervane, and Vance is a bit on the periphery looking in from Europe, since he never got to say anything while the EU/NATO people were there. We also know of his personal hatred toward Europe.

                                    I sincerely hope the US doesn't elect him next.

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                                    phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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                                    Trump is a weathervane

                                    The only things Trump has been consistent about are his narcissism and his toadying to Putin.

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                                    • P puddinghelmet@lemmy.world

                                      US Vice President J.D. Vance does not believe Moscow is obstructing a potential peace agreement in Ukraine, as Russia has made "significant concessions" to President Donald Trump. He also says there will be no US troops in Ukraine if peace is reached.

                                      In an interview with NBC News, Vance said the Russians have "made significant concessions for the first time in three and a half years." This reportedly occurred when Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin met earlier this month in Alaska. "They are willing to be flexible on some of their key demands," Vance said.

                                      He said, among other things, that Moscow has recognized "that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war" and that it "cannot install a puppet government in Kyiv." "Have they made all the concessions? Of course not. But we are making progress," he added.

                                      Claiming regions

                                      Reuters reported Thursday, citing three Russian sources close to the Kremlin, that Moscow is prepared to freeze the front line in Zaporizhia and Kherson. These are regions the country claimed in June 2024. The Russians are also reportedly willing to withdraw from the Ukrainian regions of Kharkiv, Sumy, and Dnepropetrovsk.

                                      But Moscow is reportedly sticking to its demands that Ukraine relinquish the eastern Donbas region, abandon its ambition to join NATO, and keep Western troops out of the country. Russia is also reportedly unwilling to return the Crimean peninsula, annexed in 2014.

                                      Vance said today that Washington wants to offer Ukraine security guarantees, but he emphasized: "There will be no American troops in Ukraine."

                                      'Troops important'

                                      That is precisely what is important for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said today that he hopes the country will receive security guarantees from the United States and other Western allies if a deal is reached with Russia. Having troops present in the country, "or as they say, 'boots on the ground,' is important to us," Zelensky said.

                                      US envoy Keith Kellogg is currently in Ukraine. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said during a meeting with him today in Kyiv that she had discussed security guarantees. "This is not just about military guarantees, but also about political stability and economic strength," she wrote on social media.

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                                      My brother in Christ they are literally occupying Ukraine. Nobody else is invading Ukraine. Just Russia. They're the only ones.

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