I don't get why they try and weasel around it. Just own it, tankies.

We aren't the ones who could have simple not funded ICE.

And so, you're fine with what's happening under Trump. Yes, we get it.

Just own that, and stop weasling.

Would you point to anything I have said that suggests I'm fine with what's happening under Trump?

No, pointing out that the dems chose to enable this is not being fine with what's happening under Trump. Funding the gestapo being bad when the dems did it does not make it good when Trump does it.

Fine as in, when considering that either Kamala or Trump would be president, you don't care which one got in, and the results we're seeing would be the same either way.

I absolutely do care, hence why I point out what needed to be done to change the outcome.

Voting for Kamala was what needed to be done to change the outcome.

And doing fuckall to improve your constituents material conditions for 4 years while also facilitating genocide, sending the police to kick the shit out of the politically activated kids, you know the ones who phone bank and get all their friends to vote, funding ICE, etc is exactly how you make sure people won't vote for you.

Nothing I did encouraged the dems to do these things. Instead I encouraged the democrats to do the things they needed to do to win, while every lib demanding we vote blue no matter who 2 years away from the election helped them maintain the delusion the dems could win while telling their base to eat shit.

It would have been so easy too, all the dems had to do was not include ICE or Israel funding in the federal budget, or just refuse to dispense the funds, or order the head of ICE Biden appointed to fire everyone and spend the funds on something worthwhile, and suddenly the republicans symbolize returning this great evil the democrats just ended. But they had no interest in stopping any of that shit, and now here we are.

You're given 2 and only 2 options:

Option 1 - Every day:

• A child is killed

Option 2 - Every day:

• 10 children are killed
• 5 puppies are set on file
• Your neighbor gets stabbed
• One item of your personal property is stolen from you

You have to pick either one of these options, or abstain and let someone you don't like pick for you instead.

You're standing there, telling your neighbor "at least I didn't pick a child killer!"

If you're campaigning on killing a child every day, you absolutely suck at your job and need to be replaced. It is predictable that many people aren't going to vote for you.

No logic or vote-shaming or whatever is going to make killing a child every day a popular policy. You can change policy, you can't convince voters that actually killing a child every day is OK because the other party wants to kill 10 children every day.

Right, so you don't give a fuck about your neighbor. Stop pretending you do, and just admit you want to let bad people burn down the system and think your perfect ideology will rise from the ashes. If your neighbor gets stabbed, and babies start dying at an accelerated rate, so be it.

Just. Own. It.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It seems like you just made a person up in your head to get mad at.

What part are you confused about?

Look back at my posts and point to the thing I said that suggests I want to "let bad people burn down the system and think your perfect ideology will rise from the ashes".

Because that is the opposite of what I want, or what I expect would happen in America, so I'm confused what words I said that coukd possibly give that impression.

You’re standing there, telling your neighbor “at least I didn’t pick a child killer!”

The part where you abstained from helping your neighbor, and the 9 additional children, etc.

When did I ever say anything about how I voted?

In any case, my individual vote had no effect at all on the outcome of the election. A change in dem policy and action would have had an effect.

You picked up an argument against people who pushed against voting for Kamala. If you're defending a position you don't hold, that's on you.

I pointed out what politicians need to do to get elected, namely improve the material conditions of the people whose votes they want, but other ways too. If you interpret "dems need to not suck shit to earn votes" as telling people not to vote, thats on you.

If you want to pretend there wasn't a huge base of people here telling others that they are genocide supporters if they vote for Kamala, that's on you.

They are factually genocide supporters, this is the fault of the democratic party.