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German welfare state 'can no longer be financed' — Merz

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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
    microwave@lemmy.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
    microwave@lemmy.world
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    The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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    • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

      The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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      maroon@lemmy.world
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      It can. Tax the billionaires.

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      • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

        The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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        evono@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        it could easily , just slim down the government , remove tax waste and more.
        a city near me just bought 32 benches at the cost of 70k€ EACH yes 70.000 why ? end of quarter they didnt want to get budget cuts the next quarter. some citizens found very similiar benches from another company ( like minimal different same material ) for 3,5k EACH 3500 each or many of the million graves of taxes , we have in my city multiple "Autobahn" which arent used but were built and need maintenance why ?

        Our Government makes home owners pay for street repairs in full and more , where does our tax money go?

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          it could easily , just slim down the government , remove tax waste and more.
          a city near me just bought 32 benches at the cost of 70k€ EACH yes 70.000 why ? end of quarter they didnt want to get budget cuts the next quarter. some citizens found very similiar benches from another company ( like minimal different same material ) for 3,5k EACH 3500 each or many of the million graves of taxes , we have in my city multiple "Autobahn" which arent used but were built and need maintenance why ?

          Our Government makes home owners pay for street repairs in full and more , where does our tax money go?

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          null@piefed.au
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          where does our tax money go?

          This is a pretty easy question to answer given that you're talking about a public institution.

          The only difficulty is that the answer is complex and requires reading and understanding many sets of financial reports and accompanying minutes et cetera.

          a city near me just bought 32 benches at the cost of 70k€ EACH

          That's a pretty absurd claim, and simply not how budgets in public institutions work.

          Sure there might have been some kind of fuckup so installation of one of 32 benches cost $70k, or any number of other plausible explanations, but large public institutions don't just throw $2.25m EUR at the end of a quarter as a budget stuffing exercise.

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          • M maroon@lemmy.world

            It can. Tax the billionaires.

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            bedsharkpal@lemmy.ca
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            Tax wealth not work!

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            • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

              The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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              nochmehrg@feddit.org
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              And this is how you further damage democracy and strengthen the far right. Because a lot of the people who don’t vote or vote for the far right are people who feel left behind who are of the impression that the system is broken and they don’t benefit from it. Social welfare is a way to directly show everyone what a democratic state is good for. Policies that benefit the poor, the working class and the middle class make a strong society. But Merz and others simply don’t seem to get it or care and stare in wonder at the ever rising numbers of people who want to see the world burn.

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              • B bedsharkpal@lemmy.ca

                Tax wealth not work!

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                petrjanda@gonzo.markets
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                They will just move to the next country.

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                  where does our tax money go?

                  This is a pretty easy question to answer given that you're talking about a public institution.

                  The only difficulty is that the answer is complex and requires reading and understanding many sets of financial reports and accompanying minutes et cetera.

                  a city near me just bought 32 benches at the cost of 70k€ EACH

                  That's a pretty absurd claim, and simply not how budgets in public institutions work.

                  Sure there might have been some kind of fuckup so installation of one of 32 benches cost $70k, or any number of other plausible explanations, but large public institutions don't just throw $2.25m EUR at the end of a quarter as a budget stuffing exercise.

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                  evono@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  While I couldn't find the article anymore ( it's a bit old ) I just found one for 12 for 170 thousand.

                  Another where they pay 20k for each because they are circular and more.

                  Tax waste is just all surrounding.

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                  • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                    The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                    kibiz0r@midwest.social
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                    • Print 1bn in welfare
                    • Welfare ultimately gets spent into rich folks’ coffers
                    • Tax that 1bn back out of the rich
                    • Net cost: zero

                    What’s “unaffordable” here?

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                      And this is how you further damage democracy and strengthen the far right. Because a lot of the people who don’t vote or vote for the far right are people who feel left behind who are of the impression that the system is broken and they don’t benefit from it. Social welfare is a way to directly show everyone what a democratic state is good for. Policies that benefit the poor, the working class and the middle class make a strong society. But Merz and others simply don’t seem to get it or care and stare in wonder at the ever rising numbers of people who want to see the world burn.

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                      slaacaa@lemmy.world
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                      The capitalist elite has less problem with fascism than socialism. Only one of those threatens their wealth

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                      • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                        The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                        marsza@lemmy.cafe
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                        Tick tock on the fascism clock.

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                        • M marsza@lemmy.cafe

                          Tick tock on the fascism clock.

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                          soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          My partner and I almost moved to Germany last year and I am so glad we didn't. If we're going to be in a fascist country, I'd prefer to be a citizen since white fascists tend to frown extra hard on us brown immigrants.

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                          • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                            The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                            otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            So... The Germans are kicking all the wealthy leeches off their generational welfare suckholes, then?

                            That's the real "welfare state", NGL... 🖕🏽

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                            • K kibiz0r@midwest.social
                              • Print 1bn in welfare
                              • Welfare ultimately gets spent into rich folks’ coffers
                              • Tax that 1bn back out of the rich
                              • Net cost: zero

                              What’s “unaffordable” here?

                              otter@lemmy.dbzer0.comO This user is from outside of this forum
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                              otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              If only "tax" meant "tap" as in "tap a sugar maple for its sweet sweet amber sap" and the freshly gutted 1% could also be used as fertilizer afterward.

                              Win/win! Poverty and hunger in one fell slash? I'm in.

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                              • soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                My partner and I almost moved to Germany last year and I am so glad we didn't. If we're going to be in a fascist country, I'd prefer to be a citizen since white fascists tend to frown extra hard on us brown immigrants.

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                                marsza@lemmy.cafe
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                                How’s your Spanish? I hear good things about Chile.

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                                • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                                  The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                                  umbrella@lemmy.ml
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                                  there you go, they finally said it out loud. austerity it is.

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                                  • umbrella@lemmy.mlU umbrella@lemmy.ml

                                    there you go, they finally said it out loud. austerity it is.

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                                    darleys_brew@lemmy.ml
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                                    Austerity doesn’t even work. It’s deliberate cruelty.

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                                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                                      The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                                      upperbroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      All this while systematically crippling our tax investigation departments.

                                      If I ever meet Merz or someone like him, I will have choice words to say.

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                                      • S slaacaa@lemmy.world

                                        The capitalist elite has less problem with fascism than socialism. Only one of those threatens their wealth

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                                        avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
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                                        In the short term. Both threaten their wealth in the long run. Fascism still wins out.

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                                        • microwave@lemmy.worldM microwave@lemmy.world

                                          The German chancellor has called for a welfare reform, putting him on course for a possible clash with the SPD.

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                                          corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                                          ... without the rich paying their share.

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