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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says

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  • J jimjam5@lemmy.world

    Hope the homeowner is acquitted of any wrongdoing or damages in court.

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    burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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    It's texas. He'll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn't like.

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    • K katana314@lemmy.world

      Honestly, if their goal was to imitate the appearance of cops, that seems likely. I imagine full kevlar is pretty expensive.

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      burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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      I think you can get a III-a vest for about $500. That's not terribly expensive, but a criminal planning something like this may have been a little rushed and strapped for cash. It's been a few years since I cared to even look, so prices may have gotten higher.

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      • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

        The homeowner likely gets off scott free but in Canada we still have to go through the legal motions. The cop on the scene does not have the right to let the homeowner off, the courts do.

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        burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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        I'm curious how idiotic your cops are there... Do they get to arrest folks just because a crime might have occurred, or do they need evidence of it? Because a ring camera video, AND bullet holes in the door with tell tale markings of traveling inward, towards the homeowner, plus outward, AND the car on the street, AND the masked individuals that are now easily identified as NOT COPS all screams to me that no crime was committed.

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        • L lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world

          Detective Stringer doesn’t watch the news.

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          walterlego@lemmy.zip
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          Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.

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          • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

            The homeowner likely gets off scott free but in Canada we still have to go through the legal motions. The cop on the scene does not have the right to let the homeowner off, the courts do.

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            ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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            Yep, but going through those motions is enough to ruin someone's life because of ruining their employment prospects because of their name being associated with horrific crimes, even if they are entirely innocent.

            Arresting someone because a crime may have occurred, without there being evidence to determine such, is not great, especially when there's video proof that it was self defense. It'd now be up to a jury putting the home owner under a microscope to determine if the homeowner made the correct split-second decisions in a situation so stressful they can't even imagine what it's like because they never lived through it.

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            • deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.worksD deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works

              This is why is a good idea to have an armed citizenry and well-regulated militias operating with transparency.

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              icystar@lemmy.cif.su
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              Transparency?

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              • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                boddhisatva@lemmy.world
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                No details on the nationality of the homeowner? I wonder if they are Hispanic. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some MAGA zealots tried to play ICE and it turned out like this.

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                • chojindsl@discuss.tchncs.deC chojindsl@discuss.tchncs.de

                  American Walls and doors are just paper maché anyway, so he could have killed them just as well by throwing the bullets at them like Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots.

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                  jellygoose@lemmy.ca
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                  Front doors are usually steel.

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                  • J jellygoose@lemmy.ca

                    Front doors are usually steel.

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                    possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    What? If anything they're stamped aluminum.

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                    • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                      It's texas. He'll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn't like.

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                      chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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                      I'm from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with "respectable members" of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.

                      In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor's house. They never stepped on the killer's property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.

                      The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.

                      So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn't first include a felony conviction.

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                      • T thereturnofpeb@reddthat.com

                        lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening with masked police using constant escalation dominance as a tactic.

                        this is civil war behavior from a civilization.

                        it will also lead to blood feuds between people and the police as a whole. i expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.

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                        ameancow@lemmy.world
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                        lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening

                        And this is also what they wanted, they WANT people to start firing on cops in masks, this is the escalation they need to make the excuse for turning the US into a massive locked-down corporate prison.

                        "What's that? People are shooting at our precious law enforcement heroes?? Let loose the Palantir Drones! FLY MY PRETTIES!"

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                        • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                          The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                          [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                          At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                          The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                          lordcrom@lemmy.world
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                          Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "

                          So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.

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                          • M mml@sh.itjust.works

                            It's alright, it's also kind of a waste, unless you're like clearing a small area or slinging slugs at something heavily armored you could really get everything accomplished with a traditional tube shotgun, if that doesn't work get a keltec, as far as military situations get a semi rifle or honestly even a bolt unless for some reason you're trying to kill everything 30yds in front of you multiple times.

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                            alaik@lemmy.zip
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                            They have their place. I have one for home defense. A shotgun requires less precision than a handgun and my wife does not devote a ton of time at the range. We also have children so she's understandly apprehensive around keeping a weapon loaded. So if you have to load the bitch when you need it, slapping that 10 round mag in is gonna be a lot easier for someone like her than trying to manually tubefeed the rounds.

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                            • L lordcrom@lemmy.world

                              Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "

                              So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.

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                              meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works
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                              I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.

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                              • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                                [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                                At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                                The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                                _stranger_@lemmy.world
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                                I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.

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                                • M meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works

                                  I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.

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                                  dasus@lemmy.world
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                                  It's so badly organised and chaotic anyway they wouldn't even notice

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                                  • M meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works

                                    I feel like if someone dressed up as ice and joined in a raid only to cause internal chaos could deeply hinder the operations of ICE as they all become suspicious of each other and lose trust in their team.

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                                    sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                                    I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

                                    It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

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                                    • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                      The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                                      [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                                      At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                                      The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                                      blackmist@feddit.uk
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                                      Probably realised they weren't real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.

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                                      • _ _stranger_@lemmy.world

                                        I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.

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                                        notarobot@lemmy.zip
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                                        I dont think it matters. The title conveys the idea that they weren't police. I think you could claim self defense just by that. No one that wants you to open the door falsely claiming to be policie is NOT going to hurt you

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                                        • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          I think you can get a III-a vest for about $500. That's not terribly expensive, but a criminal planning something like this may have been a little rushed and strapped for cash. It's been a few years since I cared to even look, so prices may have gotten higher.

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                                          zeroday@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          You can get a IIIA vest from a Chinese factory for about $50. If you're worried about the quality, just buy two and shoot one!

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