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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says

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  • C chiliedogg@lemmy.world

    I'm from the area. It all depends on how white and Republican you are. They stack the Grand Juries with "respectable members" of the community (white, male business owners typically) who no-bill white folk for killing minorities.

    In a very public case, a white small business owner/homeowner shot 2 unarmed minorities in the back, killing both as they fled a neighbor's house. They never stepped on the killer's property and never threatened anyone. The homeowner called 911 and said he was going to kill them and get away with it. The operator said not to shoot and to go inside because police were just seconds away, and he killed them anyway.

    The grand jury refused to let the prosecutor take the case to trial because killing black people is a public benefit in their eyes.

    So the families of the victims sued the killer, and the state responded by outlawwing civil suits over any case involving a firearm that didn't first include a felony conviction.

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    michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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    So I looked up the case for anyone's edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.

    When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor's yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.

    Quoth the shooter

    Horn, to dispatcher: "I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."

    Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn't victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.

    But don't worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

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    • M michaelmrose@lemmy.world

      So I looked up the case for anyone's edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.

      When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor's yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.

      Quoth the shooter

      Horn, to dispatcher: "I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."

      Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn't victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.

      But don't worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

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      monkemischief@lemmy.today
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      #45

      This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!

      I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:

      "How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?"

      It's like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.

      I wouldn't feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.

      But you're right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn't sound like that.

      There's plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples' homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.

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      • dasus@lemmy.worldD dasus@lemmy.world

        It's so badly organised and chaotic anyway they wouldn't even notice

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        meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works
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        #46

        Fair point. My girlfriend is Irish and compared them to the black and tans.

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        • A ameancow@lemmy.world

          lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening

          And this is also what they wanted, they WANT people to start firing on cops in masks, this is the escalation they need to make the excuse for turning the US into a massive locked-down corporate prison.

          "What's that? People are shooting at our precious law enforcement heroes?? Let loose the Palantir Drones! FLY MY PRETTIES!"

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          eldritchfeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          They don't need the excuse, just look at D.C. in the past week. And escalation will only make things worse for them. They're looking at an armed insurgency situation akin to the "War on Terror," which proved that an entrenched group amongst the populace is impossible to oust because anybody could be an insurgent, and taking one out will create more people willing to take revenge. There used to be an excellent Flash game about this very point where you shot cruise missiles at terrorists walking across the screen. And every time that a missile would explode, it would inevitably hit civilians in the area, and those nearby would turn into more terrorists. You'd just continue to fill the screen with more and more terrorists than there were originally until eventually you gave up.

          Somebody a few weeks ago said in a thread on a similar subject that the military's conclusion was that you need about 3 soldiers for every insurgent in a population. There's no way that they can draft as much as theoretically 75% of the population.

          It's a whole lot of bluster, and if we could get organized we could topple the whole thing. ICE has homes they go back to at the end of the day. They don't have army bases to hide in.

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          • K kreskin@lemmy.world

            You cant be a cop if your IQ is too high.

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            eldritchfeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Quite literally for those who think it's a joke. Judges have ruled that the cops can refuse to hire you if your IQ is above a certain score. They have also ruled that cops are not required to know the law.

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            • deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.worksD deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works

              This is why is a good idea to have an armed citizenry and well-regulated militias operating with transparency.

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              monkemischief@lemmy.today
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              #49

              I agree, and I still feel much of our country's gun safety issues are educational and cultural issues, rather than permission itself.

              I do NOT believe in mandatory military service, but I do think our citizens should be much better taught in how to be useful, reasonably disciplined, and coordinated human beings, to themselves and others. This shouldn't be just "soldier training."

              Emergency management, wound care, and team coordination should not be "specialized training." Then maybe sense would become more common and organized, sane militias would be viable.

              Instead, things like "wearing a mask above your nose" and "not shooting yourself in the foot" are excused by "lack of specialized training." Good Lord, I weep for the species.

              Human beings are incredibly capable, and on the whole we've let ourselves be domesticated into consumer cattle...

              I believe education is constantly gutted by these loons WHILE they push the gun-religion and rugged-individualist narrative so that the uneducated 'muricans FEEL tough, but stay effectively powerless to coordinate a resistance to actual tyranny.

              Hell, they can't even recognize it right in front of them anymore, or in their hearts and minds.

              But hey, let's keep our chins up!
              Maybe leftist gun ownership will be a cool symbol of freedom now, and we can openly mock the neolib "only cops should be able to protect you" disarmament fairytale.

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              • E eldritchfeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                They don't need the excuse, just look at D.C. in the past week. And escalation will only make things worse for them. They're looking at an armed insurgency situation akin to the "War on Terror," which proved that an entrenched group amongst the populace is impossible to oust because anybody could be an insurgent, and taking one out will create more people willing to take revenge. There used to be an excellent Flash game about this very point where you shot cruise missiles at terrorists walking across the screen. And every time that a missile would explode, it would inevitably hit civilians in the area, and those nearby would turn into more terrorists. You'd just continue to fill the screen with more and more terrorists than there were originally until eventually you gave up.

                Somebody a few weeks ago said in a thread on a similar subject that the military's conclusion was that you need about 3 soldiers for every insurgent in a population. There's no way that they can draft as much as theoretically 75% of the population.

                It's a whole lot of bluster, and if we could get organized we could topple the whole thing. ICE has homes they go back to at the end of the day. They don't have army bases to hide in.

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                monkemischief@lemmy.today
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                #50

                That flash game sounds like political art. Just WOW. As an aspiring game dev that's just a brilliant way of getting the point across that I could only dream of.

                The trouble with a lot of these things, sadly, is getting it in front of people who need to get the message rather than those who already agree with it from the start.

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                • W walterlego@lemmy.zip

                  Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.

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                  nomy@lemmy.zip
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                  Sounds like he could be having an awakening.

                  Hope his brothers don't turn on him.

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                  • blackmist@feddit.ukB blackmist@feddit.uk

                    Probably realised they weren't real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.

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                    deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works
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                    Thanks for the advice, the next assassin team we send will just skip the door knocking.

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                    • S sabinstargem@lemmy.today

                      I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

                      It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

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                      monotremata@lemmy.ca
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                      Why would you think it's only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don't like?

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                      • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                        The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                        [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                        At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                        The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                        petrjanda@gonzo.markets
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                        The solution is more guns don't you know!

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                        • A alaik@lemmy.zip

                          They have their place. I have one for home defense. A shotgun requires less precision than a handgun and my wife does not devote a ton of time at the range. We also have children so she's understandly apprehensive around keeping a weapon loaded. So if you have to load the bitch when you need it, slapping that 10 round mag in is gonna be a lot easier for someone like her than trying to manually tubefeed the rounds.

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                          mml@sh.itjust.works
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                          Then have it loaded and not chambered, it'll be much harder to load those mags then slide a shell in a regular shotgun, cause you know I also own one.

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                          • M mml@sh.itjust.works

                            Then have it loaded and not chambered, it'll be much harder to load those mags then slide a shell in a regular shotgun, cause you know I also own one.

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                            alaik@lemmy.zip
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                            I think you missed part of the comment. It doesnt take much effort to rack a slug. The motion to do that is also ubiquitous and pretty much every child over the age of 4 knows how to rack a shotgun.

                            The goal was to make it safer for being around kids while not compromising ammo capacity or readying time.

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                            • M monotremata@lemmy.ca

                              Why would you think it's only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don't like?

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                              sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                              I don't. However, it is the most obvious way for other nations to attack America without drawing attention. Hopefully, the same vulnerability would also allow the John Browns of our time to crack open concentration centers from the inside.

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                              • S some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world

                                Transparency: noun. The quality of being done in an open way without secrets.

                                Example: "the DHHS office was being operated without any transparency. That is until we walked in on the Secretary in the conference room fully nude, savagely defiling the corpses of various large mammals as he quaffed a goblet of raw sewage water."

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                                icystar@lemmy.cif.su
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                                Sorry this has to be spelled out for you, but I was questioning what he meant by transparency as it applies to the subject.

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                                • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                  The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                                  [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                                  At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                                  The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                                  mapleengineer@lemmy.world
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                                  Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

                                  Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.

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                                  • mapleengineer@lemmy.worldM mapleengineer@lemmy.world

                                    Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

                                    Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.

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                                    outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    Id rather they didn't.

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                                    • _ _stranger_@lemmy.world

                                      I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.

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                                      outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      Journalistic reflex; cops are always innocent.

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                                      • S sabinstargem@lemmy.today

                                        I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

                                        It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

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                                        outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        Why would they need to be 'foreign'(

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                                        • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          It's texas. He'll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn't like.

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                                          outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          I'd say you're right, but the kidnappers were cops.

                                          Yeah not offilicially, but they had masks and guns and ill intent and were claiming the titled, so cop unions will pressure prosecutors to go hard.

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