They don't need the excuse, just look at D.C. in the past week. And escalation will only make things worse for them. They're looking at an armed insurgency situation akin to the "War on Terror," which proved that an entrenched group amongst the populace is impossible to oust because anybody could be an insurgent, and taking one out will create more people willing to take revenge. There used to be an excellent Flash game about this very point where you shot cruise missiles at terrorists walking across the screen. And every time that a missile would explode, it would inevitably hit civilians in the area, and those nearby would turn into more terrorists. You'd just continue to fill the screen with more and more terrorists than there were originally until eventually you gave up.

Somebody a few weeks ago said in a thread on a similar subject that the military's conclusion was that you need about 3 soldiers for every insurgent in a population. There's no way that they can draft as much as theoretically 75% of the population.

It's a whole lot of bluster, and if we could get organized we could topple the whole thing. ICE has homes they go back to at the end of the day. They don't have army bases to hide in.

Detective Stringer makes a well calculated statement about his stance on ICE.

Probably realised they weren't real police because they knocked rather than just kicked his door in and shot his dog.

I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

They have their place. I have one for home defense. A shotgun requires less precision than a handgun and my wife does not devote a ton of time at the range. We also have children so she's understandly apprehensive around keeping a weapon loaded. So if you have to load the bitch when you need it, slapping that 10 round mag in is gonna be a lot easier for someone like her than trying to manually tubefeed the rounds.

Then have it loaded and not chambered, it'll be much harder to load those mags then slide a shell in a regular shotgun, cause you know I also own one.

Why would you think it's only foreign agents who would use ICE as cover to disappear politicians they don't like?

Transparency: noun. The quality of being done in an open way without secrets.

Example: "the DHHS office was being operated without any transparency. That is until we walked in on the Secretary in the conference room fully nude, savagely defiling the corpses of various large mammals as he quaffed a goblet of raw sewage water."

The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.

I feel the headline should have noted that he shot in response to them shooting through his goddamn door first.

I have a prediction: the more professional and organized members of ICE would actually be foreign agents, causing problems at key points. Say, for example, "vanishing" unfriendly politicians. ICE is the perfect cover: Low recruitment standards, no regulation, bounties for those times you need to get money, and no one able to ask questions.

It would be the chaotic and unprofessional members of ICE that are native to the USA. Those would be just into ICE for the money and racism, not patriotism to their nation. This will become a "Lions Led by Donkeys" episode in a decade or two.

It's texas. He'll probably get a medal or something from his local law enforcement and a round of talk shows on fox if the colors line up with what fox likes/doesn't like.

as they fled a neighbor’s house

Were they leaving a neighbors house or were they in fact fleeing from robbing the neighbors house.

It appears that it wouldn't speak to cases that were never brought it would only immunize them if the grand jury is sought and declines to indict OR the case is dismissed rather than requiring a conviction to bring the suit.

This means they can't opt out of liability by ignoring the case. This doesn't appear on its face to be bad law. If Texan's decline to indict when they ought to then that not the law is the issue.

Likewise if its even possible to stack the jury that again is the problem not the law.

So I looked up the case for anyone's edification what happened is 2 pieces of human garbage were robbing his neighbor and running away with bags of their valuables. Aside from being robbers they had criminal convictions in Columbia for drug trafficking.

When confronted by the shotgun wielding neighbor the dangerous drug trafficking robbers refused his order for them to stop and one ran onto the neighbor's yard TOWARDS the shotgun wielding neighbor and the other ran away. He shot both.

Quoth the shooter

Horn, to dispatcher: "I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."

Because of this the rest of the neighborhood wasn't victimized by drug dealing robbers breaking into their houses. Nobody ultimately had a run in with scumbags because someone was home when the robbers thought the place was empty. Nobodies family members got murdered to avoid leaving witnesses. Nobodies sanctity got violated.

But don't worry the New Black Panthers protested the scumbags deaths and threatened the fellow making their entire side look deranged and unreasonable when there are plenty of bad shoots by trigger happy cops perpetrated against actually innocent victims they could have been focusing on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

This definitely shows a lot of perspective, thank you!

I really wish people looked at these cases more objectively, considering the humans involved and not simply:

"How can I paint this to forward my narrative obsession of the moment?"

It's like our entire society is based around social media clout farming. I know weaponized reporting is nothing new, but sheesh.

I wouldn't feel I had much choice either, if someone who just robbed a neighbor was charging at me in the dark. Suddenly after the fact, the internet is chock full of experts in ballistics and self defense law.

But you're right, it definitely defeated a future threat to the neighborhood residents. I haaaaate suburban Rambo Nextdoor toughguys as much as the next reasonable person, but this doesn't sound like that.

There's plenty of systemic issues to tackle around crime, but breaking into peoples' homes to loot and potentially harm them is always a choice carrying a significant weight of FAFO.

The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.