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  • M mokus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    Lmao, idk why anyone would claim that either. Re: the other part, I also don’t think there’s any inherent reason the “f”, but in my sleepy haze writing this last night I wasn’t able to think of an example with the soft “g” followed by “if”. I feel like it must exist but I’m too tired to find it.

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    tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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    Looks like the only "normal"(ish) word that has the gif string is fungi, and even that has both hard/soft g listed as pronunciations. There are also apparently a few long words like spongiferous and some biologic classes (as opposed to (eg) species) ending in -formes that happen to end in -giformes (like Archaeopterygiformes). But I wouldn't expect too many people to have those in their pocket during a discussion of -gif- words.

    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-containing-gif

    https://word-finder.com/words-with/gif/

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      granitem@lemmy.world
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      Gif of Akhnai

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      • L linearity@infosec.pub

        Linearity uses LASER ARGUMENT!

        LASER is actually an acronym that stands for “Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation” however it is widely pronounced as “lazer”.

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        neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Reason, phase, rose, busy, raise, chose, kaiser, miser, rise, lose

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        • T tyler@programming.dev

          We’ve solidly been talking about English this whole time, since the entire basis for the pronunciation is that it’s a play on an English advertisement “choosy developers choose gif”. I’m not going to argue with other languages. Just like with the dude that is pulling out Ancient Greek, if anyone still speaks that they yeah they can pronounce Nike differently, otherwise it’s a translation to English.

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          790@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Even English doesn't have one size fits all rules. Language is social and regional. If one English speaking country pronounces zebra as "zee-bra" and another pronounces it as "zeh-bra" they're both right.

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          • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipT tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip

            Yeah I pulled it out originally because I was tired of people saying that "gi" is almost always hard g, and I don't think the lack of f makes a difference (because English spelling rules are silly, like you say. In the other thread I mentioned that just because the word "women" exists we don't pronounce every "wom" sequence with a short i sound).

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            cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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            Not everyone pronounces "women" with a short i sound, it's regional and there are no arguments about the "proper" pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesn't matter.

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            • I imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works

              You understand it actually is pronounced jif right?

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              cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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              The fact that you had to spell it wrong to communicate the "proper" pronouciation is not a good sign for your argument.

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              • P papastevesy@lemmy.world

                As the initialism it is. It's impossible to mispronounce, or have multiple competing pronunciations for initialisms as the names of letters are contextually static. Yes C can make different sounds in words, but if you're just saying the name of the letter, there's only one way to say it.

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                tempermentalanomaly@lemmy.world
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                It always surprises me when people can spend this much time writing something up and miss the greater point even if the specifics can be challenged. The greater point, of course is the 'c' changes based upon phonomes.

                Your point is valid, but 'c' is also has competing pronunciations in an acronym. Here's an example.

                CERT - Computer Emergency Response Team

                The larger gif pronunciation has nothing to do with with the fact that the g stands for graphic. It is irrelevant to the larger topic and is a tangent.

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                • P papastevesy@lemmy.world

                  This g isn't behind anything, it's in front of an i. Add a t to the end of it, that's the most similar word in the entire language. The people using the word choose how it's pronounced, that's what language is.

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                  curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Gist
                  Digit
                  Giraffe
                  Fragile
                  Vigilant
                  Gingerly
                  Geological
                  Agile
                  Engine
                  Original
                  Region
                  Allergic
                  Longitude
                  Giant

                  Tragic.

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                  • Z ziltoid1991@lemmy.world

                    There's already a file format by the name .jif!

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                    threeganzi@sh.itjust.works
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                    #120

                    And it’s pronounced ’gif’ (probably).

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                    • T tyler@programming.dev

                      We’ve solidly been talking about English this whole time, since the entire basis for the pronunciation is that it’s a play on an English advertisement “choosy developers choose gif”. I’m not going to argue with other languages. Just like with the dude that is pulling out Ancient Greek, if anyone still speaks that they yeah they can pronounce Nike differently, otherwise it’s a translation to English.

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                      cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                      In English the word "Island" has an 's' in it. This was originally done by someone purposely adding the 's' to make the word look more Latin, even though the English word "eiland" has no Latin root.

                      So if the original intended usage matters I hope you also correct everyone who uses "island" and tell them "you know it's spelled eiland right?"

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                      • T tyler@programming.dev

                        Oh good! Someone that thinks there’s multiple ways to pronounce it. Thankfully wiktionary only has a single IPA pronunciation for both the shoe and the brand and they’re the same. ˈnaɪkiː. Though I do appreciate you pulling out the Ancient Greek pronunciation as a “gotcha”.

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                        cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                        Thankfully wiktionary

                        Okay, so common consensus is a valid source then?

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                        • C curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          I don't think it's decided by the creator anymore then by the words making up the acronym either.

                          I mean, they got to name it... How it sounds is part of that...

                          Most just say it like it would sound, the creators pronunciation clearly lost.

                          How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif?

                          I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

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                          cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                          How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif? I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

                          I agree there are no winners, there have been plenty of losers.

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                          • signtist@bookwyr.meS signtist@bookwyr.me

                            I always felt like this was a weird argument. Language is always in flux. It's why the definition of "literally" now includes a definition that it's a synonym of "figuratively" since people used it that was so much.

                            If enough people think gif should be pronounced like "god", then it should. If the "jif" pronunciation has enough people who use it, then that's valid, too. Hell, if a bunch of people started legitimately saying it should be a homonym with the word "plankton," even that'd be valid.

                            Words are about conveying meaning; the same meaning is intended with both pronunciations, and understood by the people hearing it. There's nothing to argue about.

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                            omgitburns@discuss.online
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                            I think most people who argue this either way aren't actually serious about it. You do have solid points, however.

                            Regardless, I will continue to argue about this point (opposite of whatever side whoever I'm talking to is taking) until it feels more annoying than fun to me.

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                              chakrila@leminal.space
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                              gif pronunciation rights are human rights

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                              • G grimy@lemmy.world

                                let's focus on the whole "who gets to choose how a name is pronounced"

                                A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

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                                carrot@lemmy.today
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                                A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

                                I agree. I know a ton of people that say it one way, and a ton of people who say it the other. At this point, like many English words in a similar scenario, both pronunciations are valid. I prefer to use the creator's pronunciation, but I think saying it the other way is acceptable. At this point, everyone will know what you're talking about regardless of pronunciation.

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                                • T tyler@programming.dev

                                  I think that's the conclusion most come to and why the hard G is the most common.

                                  You’re literally just making up things at this point. Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.

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                                  cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                  Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.

                                  Did a quick search for a survey, first link has 77% pronouncing it with a hard g:
                                  https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/11/08/results-of-the-gif-survey/

                                  You're welcome to present a survey that shows a different result.

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                                  • C curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    I'm pointing to the lead of the team that created it. They get to name it, not me.

                                    I'm also not oddly mad about it like the person replying to me with lots of exclamation points, the user in OPs image, or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                                    All I said was the people responsible for it say its a soft g, not a hard g.

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                                    cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                    or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                                    Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...

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                                    • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                      or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                                      Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...

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                                      curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      Not really, no, I'm playing with the client communication so I can contribute updates, so ive been using a rather fugly web interface I made. Up/downvote activity is visible in that.

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                                        okay Jraphics Interchange Format

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                                        • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                          Not everyone pronounces "women" with a short i sound, it's regional and there are no arguments about the "proper" pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesn't matter.

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                                          tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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                                          Yeah of course "proper" doesn't really mean anything when talking about idolects. I'm curious though--I've been trying to get more information about the /wʊmən/ pronunciation for awhile. Do you know what region it's common to? That pronunciation doesn't show up in any dictionary (or at least any American one) except wiktionary and whenever I search for it there's not much info about it. I'm trying to figure out if it's regional or a more recent trend spread across a younger group online or something.

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