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  • P papastevesy@lemmy.world

    As the initialism it is. It's impossible to mispronounce, or have multiple competing pronunciations for initialisms as the names of letters are contextually static. Yes C can make different sounds in words, but if you're just saying the name of the letter, there's only one way to say it.

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    tempermentalanomaly@lemmy.world
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    It always surprises me when people can spend this much time writing something up and miss the greater point even if the specifics can be challenged. The greater point, of course is the 'c' changes based upon phonomes.

    Your point is valid, but 'c' is also has competing pronunciations in an acronym. Here's an example.

    CERT - Computer Emergency Response Team

    The larger gif pronunciation has nothing to do with with the fact that the g stands for graphic. It is irrelevant to the larger topic and is a tangent.

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    • P papastevesy@lemmy.world

      This g isn't behind anything, it's in front of an i. Add a t to the end of it, that's the most similar word in the entire language. The people using the word choose how it's pronounced, that's what language is.

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      curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Gist
      Digit
      Giraffe
      Fragile
      Vigilant
      Gingerly
      Geological
      Agile
      Engine
      Original
      Region
      Allergic
      Longitude
      Giant

      Tragic.

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      • Z ziltoid1991@lemmy.world

        There's already a file format by the name .jif!

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        threeganzi@sh.itjust.works
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        And it’s pronounced ’gif’ (probably).

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        • T tyler@programming.dev

          We’ve solidly been talking about English this whole time, since the entire basis for the pronunciation is that it’s a play on an English advertisement “choosy developers choose gif”. I’m not going to argue with other languages. Just like with the dude that is pulling out Ancient Greek, if anyone still speaks that they yeah they can pronounce Nike differently, otherwise it’s a translation to English.

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          cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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          In English the word "Island" has an 's' in it. This was originally done by someone purposely adding the 's' to make the word look more Latin, even though the English word "eiland" has no Latin root.

          So if the original intended usage matters I hope you also correct everyone who uses "island" and tell them "you know it's spelled eiland right?"

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          • T tyler@programming.dev

            Oh good! Someone that thinks there’s multiple ways to pronounce it. Thankfully wiktionary only has a single IPA pronunciation for both the shoe and the brand and they’re the same. ˈnaɪkiː. Though I do appreciate you pulling out the Ancient Greek pronunciation as a “gotcha”.

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            cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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            #122

            Thankfully wiktionary

            Okay, so common consensus is a valid source then?

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            • C curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              I don't think it's decided by the creator anymore then by the words making up the acronym either.

              I mean, they got to name it... How it sounds is part of that...

              Most just say it like it would sound, the creators pronunciation clearly lost.

              How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif?

              I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

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              cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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              #123

              How long have people been talking about how to pronounce gif? I don't think there are any winners or losers here.

              I agree there are no winners, there have been plenty of losers.

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              • signtist@bookwyr.meS signtist@bookwyr.me

                I always felt like this was a weird argument. Language is always in flux. It's why the definition of "literally" now includes a definition that it's a synonym of "figuratively" since people used it that was so much.

                If enough people think gif should be pronounced like "god", then it should. If the "jif" pronunciation has enough people who use it, then that's valid, too. Hell, if a bunch of people started legitimately saying it should be a homonym with the word "plankton," even that'd be valid.

                Words are about conveying meaning; the same meaning is intended with both pronunciations, and understood by the people hearing it. There's nothing to argue about.

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                omgitburns@discuss.online
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                #124

                I think most people who argue this either way aren't actually serious about it. You do have solid points, however.

                Regardless, I will continue to argue about this point (opposite of whatever side whoever I'm talking to is taking) until it feels more annoying than fun to me.

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                  chakrila@leminal.space
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                  gif pronunciation rights are human rights

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                  • G grimy@lemmy.world

                    let's focus on the whole "who gets to choose how a name is pronounced"

                    A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

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                    carrot@lemmy.today
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                    #126

                    A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.

                    I agree. I know a ton of people that say it one way, and a ton of people who say it the other. At this point, like many English words in a similar scenario, both pronunciations are valid. I prefer to use the creator's pronunciation, but I think saying it the other way is acceptable. At this point, everyone will know what you're talking about regardless of pronunciation.

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                    • T tyler@programming.dev

                      I think that's the conclusion most come to and why the hard G is the most common.

                      You’re literally just making up things at this point. Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.

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                      cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                      #127

                      Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.

                      Did a quick search for a survey, first link has 77% pronouncing it with a hard g:
                      https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/11/08/results-of-the-gif-survey/

                      You're welcome to present a survey that shows a different result.

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                      • C curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        I'm pointing to the lead of the team that created it. They get to name it, not me.

                        I'm also not oddly mad about it like the person replying to me with lots of exclamation points, the user in OPs image, or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                        All I said was the people responsible for it say its a soft g, not a hard g.

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                        cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                        #128

                        or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                        Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...

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                        • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                          or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.

                          Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...

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                          curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          Not really, no, I'm playing with the client communication so I can contribute updates, so ive been using a rather fugly web interface I made. Up/downvote activity is visible in that.

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                            ascene@x69.org
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                            okay Jraphics Interchange Format

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                            • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                              Not everyone pronounces "women" with a short i sound, it's regional and there are no arguments about the "proper" pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesn't matter.

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                              tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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                              Yeah of course "proper" doesn't really mean anything when talking about idolects. I'm curious though--I've been trying to get more information about the /wʊmən/ pronunciation for awhile. Do you know what region it's common to? That pronunciation doesn't show up in any dictionary (or at least any American one) except wiktionary and whenever I search for it there's not much info about it. I'm trying to figure out if it's regional or a more recent trend spread across a younger group online or something.

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                              • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.

                                Did a quick search for a survey, first link has 77% pronouncing it with a hard g:
                                https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/11/08/results-of-the-gif-survey/

                                You're welcome to present a survey that shows a different result.

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                                tyler@programming.dev
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                                #132

                                You’re just changing the conversation. You said “the closest word is gift… that’s the conclusion most come to”. Which is just not provable. The reason the number is so high for hard g (I have a different survey that says 51% in that same year) is because people like you thinking that you know the “rules” of English and then telling everyone to pronounce it hard g. So their first encounter with the word is literally someone pronouncing it wrong. It has nothing to do with them associating it with “gift”.

                                Edit: you’re not even the person I was talking to so you’re definitely stepping in and saying things that have nothing to do with the convo.

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                                • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                  Thankfully wiktionary

                                  Okay, so common consensus is a valid source then?

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                                  tyler@programming.dev
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                                  Your arguments are inane. Please stop talking to me.

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                                  • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                    In English the word "Island" has an 's' in it. This was originally done by someone purposely adding the 's' to make the word look more Latin, even though the English word "eiland" has no Latin root.

                                    So if the original intended usage matters I hope you also correct everyone who uses "island" and tell them "you know it's spelled eiland right?"

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                                    tyler@programming.dev
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                                    Island isn’t a proper noun, nor a product.

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                                    • T tyler@programming.dev

                                      You’re just changing the conversation. You said “the closest word is gift… that’s the conclusion most come to”. Which is just not provable. The reason the number is so high for hard g (I have a different survey that says 51% in that same year) is because people like you thinking that you know the “rules” of English and then telling everyone to pronounce it hard g. So their first encounter with the word is literally someone pronouncing it wrong. It has nothing to do with them associating it with “gift”.

                                      Edit: you’re not even the person I was talking to so you’re definitely stepping in and saying things that have nothing to do with the convo.

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                                      cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                      you’re not even the person I was talking to

                                      Correct. You are having a conversation in a public forum. If you want a private conversation take it to PMs. I was replying to the specific thing you said that I quoted.

                                      The fact that you could not follow that despite me quoting the relevant sentence, and did not notice I was a different person, shows you are not paying attention to what is actually being said.

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                                      • C curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Not really, no, I'm playing with the client communication so I can contribute updates, so ive been using a rather fugly web interface I made. Up/downvote activity is visible in that.

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                                        cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                        Sure, there's "I can see downvote information" and then there's "I took the effort to check the history of this person who downvoted me and go into the context thread for those downvotes in order to recgonize this other user name being common in them... And I went back far enough to see this trend for months."

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                                        • T tyler@programming.dev

                                          Your arguments are inane. Please stop talking to me.

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                                          cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                          Generally "sane" people just stop talking to people they do not wish to hear from. When you don't reply to people they tend to not reply back.

                                          Talking to someone in order to say you don't want to talk to them is...

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