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Corbyn is good on Gaza, but his terrible on literally everything else.

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    Corbyn is good on Gaza, but he is terrible on literally everything else. He is a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well.

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    • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

      Corbyn is good on Gaza, but he is terrible on literally everything else. He is a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well.

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      knowone@slrpnk.net
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      Wow I don't know if I've ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It's genuinely interesting to me. I'd have expected "he's a raging antisemite" instead of "good on Gaza", given the rest of what you said

      Or is it when you say "literally everything else" do you just mean "other foreign policy stuff"?

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        Wow I don't know if I've ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It's genuinely interesting to me. I'd have expected "he's a raging antisemite" instead of "good on Gaza", given the rest of what you said

        Or is it when you say "literally everything else" do you just mean "other foreign policy stuff"?

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        arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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        This commenter is just understandably misled by the UK media's decades-long smear campaign. He is absolutely not "a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well", if you take a look at his history of words and actions.

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        • K knowone@slrpnk.net

          Wow I don't know if I've ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It's genuinely interesting to me. I'd have expected "he's a raging antisemite" instead of "good on Gaza", given the rest of what you said

          Or is it when you say "literally everything else" do you just mean "other foreign policy stuff"?

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          How is he not a supporter of Russian gencidal imperialism? He openly supports the annexation of Crimea (and by extension the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars in occupied territories). He is also huge supporter of russian propaganda resources.

          I am more aware of his tankie foreign policy views (I am not from the UK), but based on discussions with friends who do live there, his economic policies are also uninspired (nationalizations etc.) even if you are left leaning.

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          • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

            Corbyn is good on Gaza, but he is terrible on literally everything else. He is a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well.

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            jimmy90@lemmy.world
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            the only way komrad korbyn will get his authoritarian chum farage elected is by splitting the left vote. the most effective way to do that is to abuse the only issue his non-party has and have a show trial. i notice historians are not on the list of the invited.

            and how will this help gazans? not in the slightest, but that was never the point and who really ever gave a damn about peace in gaza anyway?

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              This commenter is just understandably misled by the UK media's decades-long smear campaign. He is absolutely not "a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well", if you take a look at his history of words and actions.

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              How is supporting the annexation of Crimea (just one example in context of Ukraine, there are many more) not open support for russian genocidal imperialism?

              The fucker openly works with russian propaganda/intel services. This has nothing to do with the UK media.

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              • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                How is he not a supporter of Russian gencidal imperialism? He openly supports the annexation of Crimea (and by extension the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars in occupied territories). He is also huge supporter of russian propaganda resources.

                I am more aware of his tankie foreign policy views (I am not from the UK), but based on discussions with friends who do live there, his economic policies are also uninspired (nationalizations etc.) even if you are left leaning.

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                arcane2077@sh.itjust.works
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                Repeating it doesn't make it true. How are you not a supporter of Russian genocidal imperialism?

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                • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                  How is supporting the annexation of Crimea (just one example in context of Ukraine, there are many more) not open support for russian genocidal imperialism?

                  The fucker openly works with russian propaganda/intel services. This has nothing to do with the UK media.

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                  knowone@slrpnk.net
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                  https://www.google.com/search?q=Corbyn+support+Crimea+annexation

                  Yep as I expected, nothing about supporting the annexation or openly working with Russian propaganda/intel services. In fact what I'm seeing from googling that is many examples of him actually publicly condemning the Russian governments actions over the years, including the invasion of Ukraine. If he's under Russian employ as you say, I'm very surprised they didn't fire him years ago

                  But yeah you're clearly someone who sees the Ukrainian government and NATO as perfect and could never do anything wrong and will continue to do so. So anyone who says even slightly different is worthy to be demonised by you, whether it's actually true or not they even said anything like that. And before you accuse me of being a "Russia sympathiser" or whatever I completely believe Russia is the aggressor and that we should be supoorting Ukraine. Just not that Ukraine and NATO have been 100% good themselves

                  Like, for instance, it's also funny that people can't see that NATO are loving the invasion. It means they don't have to all openly go to war with Russia to severely weaken it, something they've always wanted. They can just use Ukraine in a proxy war and allow the country and people to suffer all the hardships while the rest of NATO just pump Ukraine with war funding and the politicians in government in those countries get an easy win in popularity. Starmer is a great example of this, just about everything he's done is unpopular and the UK population for the most part are at the very least disappointed in him. The only time he was really popular was when he was all nice to Zelenskyy after the terrible Trump meeting he went through. Which is exactly what Starmer should have done of course, but it just shows how much of an easy goal it is

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                  • A arcane2077@sh.itjust.works

                    Repeating it doesn't make it true. How are you not a supporter of Russian genocidal imperialism?

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                    knowone@slrpnk.net
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                    Yeah Skiluros, please tell us how you're not a supporter yourself

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                      the only way komrad korbyn will get his authoritarian chum farage elected is by splitting the left vote. the most effective way to do that is to abuse the only issue his non-party has and have a show trial. i notice historians are not on the list of the invited.

                      and how will this help gazans? not in the slightest, but that was never the point and who really ever gave a damn about peace in gaza anyway?

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                      lazylazycat@lemmy.world
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                      Which issue? Redistribution of wealth by taxing billionaires? Taking utilities back into public ownership? Building council houses?

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                      • K knowone@slrpnk.net

                        https://www.google.com/search?q=Corbyn+support+Crimea+annexation

                        Yep as I expected, nothing about supporting the annexation or openly working with Russian propaganda/intel services. In fact what I'm seeing from googling that is many examples of him actually publicly condemning the Russian governments actions over the years, including the invasion of Ukraine. If he's under Russian employ as you say, I'm very surprised they didn't fire him years ago

                        But yeah you're clearly someone who sees the Ukrainian government and NATO as perfect and could never do anything wrong and will continue to do so. So anyone who says even slightly different is worthy to be demonised by you, whether it's actually true or not they even said anything like that. And before you accuse me of being a "Russia sympathiser" or whatever I completely believe Russia is the aggressor and that we should be supoorting Ukraine. Just not that Ukraine and NATO have been 100% good themselves

                        Like, for instance, it's also funny that people can't see that NATO are loving the invasion. It means they don't have to all openly go to war with Russia to severely weaken it, something they've always wanted. They can just use Ukraine in a proxy war and allow the country and people to suffer all the hardships while the rest of NATO just pump Ukraine with war funding and the politicians in government in those countries get an easy win in popularity. Starmer is a great example of this, just about everything he's done is unpopular and the UK population for the most part are at the very least disappointed in him. The only time he was really popular was when he was all nice to Zelenskyy after the terrible Trump meeting he went through. Which is exactly what Starmer should have done of course, but it just shows how much of an easy goal it is

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                        skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                        Your starting point was a web search! Corbyn is a huge promoter or russian propaganda on NATO, his fake peacnik organization recognized Crimea as part of russia.

                        Ukraine and NATO have not been good? What does that even mean?

                        That's a russian propaganda narrative. You don't speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you've never even lived in Ukraine (Donbas or any other part).

                        Get the fuck out of here with your "NATO is at fault" and "proxy war" bullshit, you ignorant, lazy, dishonest, fake leftist! A real leftist would recognise that countries have the right to self determination.

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                          Repeating it doesn't make it true. How are you not a supporter of Russian genocidal imperialism?

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                          It's true, Corbyn worked with a RT, a russian propaganda service that's managed by russian intel services.

                          Corbyn is one the largest promoter of russian propaganda narratives about "NATO is responsible for the invasion".

                          Corbyn's fake-peacenik organziation recognized Crimea as part of russia.

                          Even russians know it's not true (about NATO), their sole goal is to manipulate ignorant, fake-leftists like yourself. You're justing how ignorant you are.

                          It's literally written in their key doctrinal text on foreign policy operations.

                          You don't speak russian (or Ukrainian) and you've never lived in Ukraine or russia. You're just a fake leftist who is in it for aesthetic reasons.

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                            Your starting point was a web search! Corbyn is a huge promoter or russian propaganda on NATO, his fake peacnik organization recognized Crimea as part of russia.

                            Ukraine and NATO have not been good? What does that even mean?

                            That's a russian propaganda narrative. You don't speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you've never even lived in Ukraine (Donbas or any other part).

                            Get the fuck out of here with your "NATO is at fault" and "proxy war" bullshit, you ignorant, lazy, dishonest, fake leftist! A real leftist would recognise that countries have the right to self determination.

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                            justaraccoon@lemmy.world
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                            Can you provide interviews or clips where he's been a promoter of russian propaganda?

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                              Can you provide interviews or clips where he's been a promoter of russian propaganda?

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                              • He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
                              • He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
                              • His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
                              • He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion

                              I don't even need to do a web search to write out these points. Who would have thought that in a country being invaded by russia for 11 years out of its 34 years of independence, the media would report on Western leaders collaborating with russians?

                              Or do you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz who don't have journalism?

                              You can look up the sources for the abovementioned points, it's not difficult. Or assume I am lying, whatever works for you.

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                                • He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
                                • He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
                                • His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
                                • He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion

                                I don't even need to do a web search to write out these points. Who would have thought that in a country being invaded by russia for 11 years out of its 34 years of independence, the media would report on Western leaders collaborating with russians?

                                Or do you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz who don't have journalism?

                                You can look up the sources for the abovementioned points, it's not difficult. Or assume I am lying, whatever works for you.

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                                justaraccoon@lemmy.world
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                                You're making the statements, you bring the receipts.

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                                • K knowone@slrpnk.net

                                  Wow I don't know if I've ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It's genuinely interesting to me. I'd have expected "he's a raging antisemite" instead of "good on Gaza", given the rest of what you said

                                  Or is it when you say "literally everything else" do you just mean "other foreign policy stuff"?

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                                  nialv7@lemmy.world
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                                  "he's an antisemite" is sooo yesteryear, you need to keep up with the propaganda smear machine.

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                                  • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works
                                    • He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
                                    • He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
                                    • His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
                                    • He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion

                                    I don't even need to do a web search to write out these points. Who would have thought that in a country being invaded by russia for 11 years out of its 34 years of independence, the media would report on Western leaders collaborating with russians?

                                    Or do you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz who don't have journalism?

                                    You can look up the sources for the abovementioned points, it's not difficult. Or assume I am lying, whatever works for you.

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                                    nialv7@lemmy.world
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                                    you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz

                                    wow steady on my dude

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                                      you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz

                                      wow steady on my dude

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                                      skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                                      I am just highlighting how this comes off as.

                                      The gall to assume I am just making shit up because I hate daddy Corbyn. Not mention thinking that our Ukrainian-language media (and even english language media run by Ukrainian diaspora in places like Canada) lack integrity to validate such reporting.

                                      Height of arrogance, racism even.

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                                        You're making the statements, you bring the receipts.

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                                        skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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                                        There is that supremacist paternalism that I was talking about.

                                        This is exactly why Western "leftists" are either useful idiots (E.g. Varoufakis, who otherwise has very good ideas and a modern leftist worldview) or collaborators with the russians (Corbyn).

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                                        • skiluros@sh.itjust.worksS skiluros@sh.itjust.works

                                          I am just highlighting how this comes off as.

                                          The gall to assume I am just making shit up because I hate daddy Corbyn. Not mention thinking that our Ukrainian-language media (and even english language media run by Ukrainian diaspora in places like Canada) lack integrity to validate such reporting.

                                          Height of arrogance, racism even.

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                                          knowone@slrpnk.net
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                                          You have to be a troll my friend. That, or just unhinged and deep in the delusion and copium. Either way it's been hilarious and very entertaining to see what you think counts as reasoned arguments come on and on. The using of racial slurs while accusing others of "racism" was the cherry on the cake (I'm also white by the way, like most Ukrainians)

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