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  • somethingburger@jlai.luS somethingburger@jlai.lu

    I've had updates fail on NixOS. A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs and the system wouldn't boot. Booting to a previous generation and reapplying the update fixed it.

    This is very rare, though, and unlike Arch can be fixed without a Live USB.

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    jim3692@discuss.online
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    A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs

    This sounds like a bug on Nix configuration, or the kernel build process.

    If NixOS had caught the error, you wouldn't have gotten a faulty generation at all. This is different from pacman/apt/dnf, which will happily continue the upgrade, resulting in a broken system with no easy way to fix it.

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    • R redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      I've moved on to gentoo. All the customization and if something breaks I can be sure it's my fault.

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      eldritch@piefed.world
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      I haven't installed gentoo in 20 years. I still like arch for it's glaring flaws. And I do like BSDs ports etc. I probably should go through a gentoo install again to see how it changed. Last time I ran it. Was on a first generation Pentium.

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      • Z zwiebel@feddit.org

        I've never understood why the update part isn't included in the upgrade command, since upgrade is useless without it

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        arsonbutcute@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Upgrade will upgrade the system to whatever is newest in your package cache. If, for example, you've just performed a partial upgrade and put yourself into an unsupported state, running upgrade without first running update will put your system back in line with itself.

        There probably almost never a reason for this, but its the equivalent of running pacman -u which under normal circumstances you will never do

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        • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

          You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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          nukenpave@lemmy.world
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          Or the Linux firmware package change that required manual intervention to resolve.

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          • T theleadensea@sh.itjust.works

            presses the big blue 'update' button in GNOME Software in Fedora

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            venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.org
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            Checks 'automatic updates' box in Discover

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            • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

              I haven't installed gentoo in 20 years. I still like arch for it's glaring flaws. And I do like BSDs ports etc. I probably should go through a gentoo install again to see how it changed. Last time I ran it. Was on a first generation Pentium.

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              redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              On a beefy machine it's nice. Chromium takes forever.

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                laser@feddit.org
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                The second y in Syyu is almost always unneeded and just wastes time and bandwidth. Is i remember correctly, it only makes sense when for example you switch mirrors

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                • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

                  Really should keep that PPA use to a minimum. They're potentially a source of not just instability but possible malware as you're putting a lot of trust in whoever maintains that resource.

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                  thorhop@sopuli.xyz
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                  I think Fedora's COPR carries on the torch, besides Arch's AUR. But generally, yeah, avoid PPA's like the plague. It's been garbage for years now. You'd be better off actually compiling the software yourself.

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                  • comradenokotan@lemmy.zipC comradenokotan@lemmy.zip

                    I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

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                    victorz@lemmy.world
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                    I thought I remembered that correctly from my time with Ubuntu like 20 years ago.

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                      randelung@lemmy.world
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                      Upgraded three systems to Debian 13 in the last few days. Went without a hitch. One Proxmox, one media server and player, one workstation.

                      Wayland still doesn't work, but that's apparently because of the noVideo drivers.

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