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    comradenokotan@lemmy.zip
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    #10

    I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

    Sauce

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    • comradenokotan@lemmy.zipC comradenokotan@lemmy.zip

      I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

      Sauce

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      bleistift2@sopuli.xyz
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      #11

      update pulls the metadata about your packages (to see if there are new versions, and which), while upgrade applies the patches.

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      • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzB bleistift2@sopuli.xyz

        update pulls the metadata about your packages (to see if there are new versions, and which), while upgrade applies the patches.

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        zwiebel@feddit.org
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        #12

        I've never understood why the update part isn't included in the upgrade command, since upgrade is useless without it

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        • F friend_of_satan@lemmy.world

          ujust update

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          zwiebel@feddit.org
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          #13

          Isn't that just topgrade

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          • Z zwiebel@feddit.org

            Isn't that just topgrade

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            friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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            #14

            I'm honestly not sure. https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/system_files/desktop/shared/usr/share/ublue-os/just/10-update.just

            The bazzite motd says use ujust

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            • R redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              OP hasn't used AUR much

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              eldritch@piefed.world
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              #15

              You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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              • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

                You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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                redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #16

                That's pretty rare. I ran arch for years and my only issues were from AUR or trying to update extremely out of date machines.

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                • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

                  Really should keep that PPA use to a minimum. They're potentially a source of not just instability but possible malware as you're putting a lot of trust in whoever maintains that resource.

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                  manxu@piefed.social
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                  Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                  • M manxu@piefed.social

                    Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                    henfredemars@infosec.pub
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                    #18

                    Absolutely. Ideally you should have zero PPAs. There’s definitely a cost for using this feature. Most commonly it comes in the form of instability when you end up with incompatible or broken packages because the maintainer wasn’t playing an active enough role. YMMV!

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                    • R redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      That's pretty rare. I ran arch for years and my only issues were from AUR or trying to update extremely out of date machines.

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                      eldritch@piefed.world
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                      #19

                      I've run arch for years as well. It happens nearly yearly. I've had updates break completely several times. Partial updates. That required significant manual intervention. Etc Etc Etc. Meanwhile my Debian and fedora systems haven't had a hitch in years.

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                      • M manxu@piefed.social

                        Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                        zorro@lemmy.world
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                        #20

                        You can set packages from a particular repo to a lower priority so that they are only installed when you expressly ask for them

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                        • Z zorro@lemmy.world

                          You can set packages from a particular repo to a lower priority so that they are only installed when you expressly ask for them

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                          manxu@piefed.social
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                          #21

                          How does one do that, Wise Zorro?

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                          • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

                            I've run arch for years as well. It happens nearly yearly. I've had updates break completely several times. Partial updates. That required significant manual intervention. Etc Etc Etc. Meanwhile my Debian and fedora systems haven't had a hitch in years.

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                            redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            I've moved on to gentoo. All the customization and if something breaks I can be sure it's my fault.

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