Right-wingers outraged after school district suspends boys for bullying trans student
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True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Teenagers are tricky, could have been to document unjust harassment, or it could have been to ragebait the other kids. Without having seen the video, I've no idea which way it went, and even then might be impossible to know without broader context.
Makes it very difficult to fairly cover a potentially nuanced situation since the privacy of underaged kids is important, so we are left with vague second hand reporting.
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True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Funny how we make up excuses for trans kids, when everyone else would rightfully be called out for the shocking invasion of privacy. Fuck that school. And fuck its representatives who had nothing to say about a student filming underage boys in a lockerroom.
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No, I think I got it alright.
and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
I imagine some girls would be equally as uncomfortable with this boy in their locker room. From the perspective of those other boys, there was a girl in their locker room. We need to teach understanding that trans people exist, and they need to use bathrooms and locker rooms as well.
I'm with you on having more availability of gender neutral locker rooms, but until schools either integrate all locker rooms (unlikely, seeing how parents have reacted) or build a 3rd locker room (equally unlikely IMO) then we need to teach about how trans people feel, and replace fear and discomfort with understanding and acceptance.
No, what we need to teach is that its ok to voice opinions that go against the grain of the perpetually online. You cry about trans kids being made to feel uncomfortable by other kids who dont feel comfortable, but you have nothing at all to say about the trans kid walking in filming underage boys in a locker room.
The trans issue is not for children to figure out. Its the schools job to do that. Forcing kids to go to gym, thus forcing them to use the locker room, thus forcing them to be uncomfortable. And you're all scratching your fucking heads of why this happened, and blaming the fucking kids.
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Funny how we make up excuses for trans kids, when everyone else would rightfully be called out for the shocking invasion of privacy. Fuck that school. And fuck its representatives who had nothing to say about a student filming underage boys in a lockerroom.
Sure sure,
On the flipside though, if this student had been verbally and physically harassed multiple times while in the locker room while staff ignored his complaints, then he may have felt compelled to film simply to prevent worse harassment from occuring.
Clearly, there is more going on than what information is publicly available.
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I agree completely and I'm impressed that you were so cordial with @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
You sound like they shouldve been rude instead.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
Think about you HS days. Did you ever here a boy say "I am feeling uncomfortable" and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised... it was march. They knew who the person was. They were calling it out to be mean and make the person uncomfortable or even afraid. They were trying to build momentum and to get others to join in the harassment.
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I agree, but let's analyze this a bit further... Who's personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
Whose*
stay in school lol
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
The problem is that it boils down to not wanting trans kids to exist. You have a trans boy, presenting as male, blocked from the boys locker-room.
Care to guess what would have happened if they tried to use the girls locker room as all the righties are demanding?
Say you're in the womens restroom and Buck Angel walks in because he's legally blocked from using the mens room, imagine the reaction.
It's not about which bathroom is the "right' bathroom. They don't want trans people to have the human right to use ANY bathroom.
The cruelty is the point.
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Whose*
stay in school lol
Great. Thanks for the grammar lesson.
Now, do you want to examine your statment, or do you wanna pass on that?
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In fairness to my past self, a locker room was a place to change my clothes and get out. I was uncomfortable being in there with anyone for any length of time.
I'm trying to take a view from the other boys, who see him as a girl. You can't reasonably expect people who've grown up in a society where they're is a binary assignment between boy and girl at birth to suddenly understand and accept a trans person, without some kind of education, coaching and adjustment period. From the other boys perspective, this student was a girl, and he just came into the locker room and started filming them. If I went into a women's locker room and started filming, I probably would get a police escort out of the building with some shiny new bracelets. There are two sides to this story. I'm not saying that the trans boy wasn't being harassed. I was saying that there is more going on here, because a couple of boys saying "I'm not comfortable with this girl in the locker room" wouldn't get them suspended for 10 days, the school district said the same thing in the article.
I was also uncomfortable being in there. And I agree with you that the article doesn't give us enough background of what was going on, because obviously there's a lot more to the story if the school board did find that these kids were bullying.
And I agree that filming wasn't appropriate, presumably there would have been a lot of boys in there that weren't bullies.
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to this story than what is in the article. So us from the outside, it's just conjecture. The scoreboard made a decision on what they thought was going to keep kids safe. And their decision was to suspend kids they perceived as being bullies.
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Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn't been an issue for 20 years. It doesn't take a lot of effort either. Kids just don't see the point, they have better things to do.
If you make an effort you can shut that shit down.
Edit: lol Lemmy quit being reddit. Downvoting this is sad! Seriously the kids don't bully each other, they have been taught to help each other, and tolerate each other. That's the effort.
So downvoting this is like saying: but we like bullying!
The world could be better, but people will downvote that idea.
No. Down voting is disagreeing with bullying hasn't been a thing for 20 years. Many people here have been bullied in the last twenty years. Heck, at my kid's school there was a bullying incident that caused quite a stir a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the district no longer has any tools to deal with it if the restorative justice model doesn't bring all the parties to the table. The parents, from what I hear, said it was a boys will be boys thing. And I know of at least one person who withdrew their child in no small part due to this.
So I agree that bullying is probably way down from when I was a kid, but to say it isn't a thing because you have no awareness of it is a little self centered.
