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Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says

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  • merc@sh.itjust.worksM merc@sh.itjust.works

    In reality, if the masked intruder you shoot happens to be a cop, then Castle Doctrine is irrelevant. You're now a cop murderer. They'll figure out some legal or extra-legal way to see you behind bars or dead.

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    powercrazy@lemmy.ml
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    #79

    Not 100% true. Though I admit it's rare, but in Texas a man was acquitted after killing a police officer trying to break into his house. Castle-Law absolutely came into play there.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-jury-acquits-man-fatally-shot-off-duty-houston-officer-man-claimed-self-defense

    This is the most recent I can find, but it's happened several times in the past as well. It should happen more often, but unfortunately the defender rarely survives.

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    • B boddhisatva@lemmy.world

      No details on the nationality of the homeowner? I wonder if they are Hispanic. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some MAGA zealots tried to play ICE and it turned out like this.

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      iii@lemmy.world
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      #80

      Why "play" when MAGA zealots can just become ICE agents and get paid to be racist and violent?

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      • P pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        Finally, some good wholesome news

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        wabafee@lemmy.world
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        Hole'some news indeed

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        • C chiliedogg@lemmy.world

          The shooter told 911 they were coming at him, after basically saying he wanted to go kill them. The police officer who witnessed the killing said they were fleeing and that he shot them in the back.

          I'm not some anti-gun dude. I own over 50 guns and used to work in the industry.

          But that motherfucker should be in jail. Non-violent criminals don't deserve the death penalty - least of all from some psycho neighbor who has a hard-on for violence and essentially announces his intent to kill before going outside and killing.

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          michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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          I don't care. I don't care if drug dealers robbing people got shot. I'm on balance a little happier that they got whacked because they literally represent a threat to people like myself and my family whereas I will never have to worry about getting shot robbing people.

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          • C chiliedogg@lemmy.world

            They had been burglarizing the neighbor's empty house and were leaving.

            That isn't worth killing over.

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            michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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            I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.

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            • C chiliedogg@lemmy.world

              Saying non-violent burglars and drug users deserve to die because Joe really wanted an excuse to kill isn't exactly objective.

              The only witness to the killing was a plainclothes officer who said he shot people in the back while fleeing.

              Stealing shit isn't a capital offense. As a society, we decided long ago that even a judge and jury can't kill someone for burglary. Why is it okay when the psycho neighbor who isn't even a victim does it?

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              michaelmrose@lemmy.world
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              Breaking into a home isn't non-violent. People break into places that they THINK are empty all the time or have the victims come home during the robbery all the time. If they keep doing this they will with 100% certitude come into direct conflict sooner rather than later. Furthermore the act of violating someone's home is inherently a violation. Your argument is like saying rape is non-violent if nobody fights back.

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              • P powercrazy@lemmy.ml

                Good. If you aren't guilty, you shouldn't have any liability what-so-ever. if anything, once declared not-guilty (or the case never make it to court) any further pursuit of the victim should result in criminal harassment charges. Leave the victims alone, even if they are white.

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                chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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                #85

                If the neighbor backs into your car, should you be able to pursue damages if the person who hit you isn't sent to prison?

                Because if, instead of running into your car, the neighbor had accidentally shot it while unloading their rifle for cleaning, you can't sue them if they aren't imprisoned.

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                • P powercrazy@lemmy.ml

                  This is actually why Texas is great and Joe Horn did nothing wrong. You can't trust the police, but I absolutely trust my neighbors.

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                  chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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                  When a cop says a minority wasn't charging somebody when they got shot to death, I am more likely to believe him.

                  And let's not forget that the police department chose not to arrest him because he was a white business owner. If Horn had been black, he'd have been killed on the scene or executed in Huntsville.

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                  • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                    I'm curious how idiotic your cops are there... Do they get to arrest folks just because a crime might have occurred, or do they need evidence of it? Because a ring camera video, AND bullet holes in the door with tell tale markings of traveling inward, towards the homeowner, plus outward, AND the car on the street, AND the masked individuals that are now easily identified as NOT COPS all screams to me that no crime was committed.

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                    melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                    #87

                    Some cops are idiots, most aren't. About the same everywhere I guess.

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                    • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                      The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                      [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                      At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                      The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                      nul42@lemmy.ca
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                      In other news two positions for ICE officers just opened up for the Huston area.

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                      • I ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml

                        Yep, but going through those motions is enough to ruin someone's life because of ruining their employment prospects because of their name being associated with horrific crimes, even if they are entirely innocent.

                        Arresting someone because a crime may have occurred, without there being evidence to determine such, is not great, especially when there's video proof that it was self defense. It'd now be up to a jury putting the home owner under a microscope to determine if the homeowner made the correct split-second decisions in a situation so stressful they can't even imagine what it's like because they never lived through it.

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                        melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                        I agree that guilt by association may cause problems for the victim but the most reasonable way to proceed is to gather facts and evidence and make decisions based upon that information. I believe that this process is the most effective, even if there is absolute proof that the victim is innocent (assume there was a live stream of the incident for all to see and everyone who saw it was shown that the victim was innocent). We should still jump the hoops and fill out the forms.

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                        • L lordcrom@lemmy.world

                          Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "

                          So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.

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                          bakkoda@sh.itjust.works
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                          I support this and agree.

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                          • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                            The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                            [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                            At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                            The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                            frog_brawler@lemmy.world
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                            I was wondering where this would happen first. TX makes sense. They have more ICE than any other state.

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                            • mapleengineer@lemmy.worldM mapleengineer@lemmy.world

                              Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

                              Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.

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                              burninator05@lemmy.world
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                              ISE doesn't wear ski masks. They wear balaclavas. They're totally different and easy distinguishable in the dark during high stress situations. /s

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                              • F fordbeeblebrox@lemmy.world

                                BREONNA TAYLOR, member her? Just a raid gone wrong

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                                burninator05@lemmy.world
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                                There have been do many stories of police botched a raid and killed people exercising their 2d Amendment rights in non-threatening ways. Typically the 2A nuts still rally around the cops.

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                                • L lordcrom@lemmy.world

                                  Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "

                                  So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.

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                                  iavicenna@lemmy.world
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                                  this quote should form the basis of any defense arguments for future ICE shootings

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                                  • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

                                    I agree that guilt by association may cause problems for the victim but the most reasonable way to proceed is to gather facts and evidence and make decisions based upon that information. I believe that this process is the most effective, even if there is absolute proof that the victim is innocent (assume there was a live stream of the incident for all to see and everyone who saw it was shown that the victim was innocent). We should still jump the hoops and fill out the forms.

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                                    ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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                                    I just don't agree, I don't see how victimizing someone twice when there's absolute proof they are innocent is in any way productive or a good thing for society. It's really shitty and can ruin someones life when they've already been through a traumatic event. It's bordering on being downright evil tbh.

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                                    • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                      The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

                                      [The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

                                      At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

                                      The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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                                      some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

                                      I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.

                                      I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won't. If they do, they'll take the wrong lesson from it.

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                                      • S some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org

                                        Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

                                        I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.

                                        I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won't. If they do, they'll take the wrong lesson from it.

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                                        compostmaterial@lemmy.world
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                                        No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.

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                                        • M michaelmrose@lemmy.world

                                          I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.

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                                          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.

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