Homeowner shoots, kills 2 men in ski masks claiming to be officers, HPD says
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This is actually why Texas is great and Joe Horn did nothing wrong. You can't trust the police, but I absolutely trust my neighbors.
When a cop says a minority wasn't charging somebody when they got shot to death, I am more likely to believe him.
And let's not forget that the police department chose not to arrest him because he was a white business owner. If Horn had been black, he'd have been killed on the scene or executed in Huntsville.
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I'm curious how idiotic your cops are there... Do they get to arrest folks just because a crime might have occurred, or do they need evidence of it? Because a ring camera video, AND bullet holes in the door with tell tale markings of traveling inward, towards the homeowner, plus outward, AND the car on the street, AND the masked individuals that are now easily identified as NOT COPS all screams to me that no crime was committed.
Some cops are idiots, most aren't. About the same everywhere I guess.
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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
In other news two positions for ICE officers just opened up for the Huston area.
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Yep, but going through those motions is enough to ruin someone's life because of ruining their employment prospects because of their name being associated with horrific crimes, even if they are entirely innocent.
Arresting someone because a crime may have occurred, without there being evidence to determine such, is not great, especially when there's video proof that it was self defense. It'd now be up to a jury putting the home owner under a microscope to determine if the homeowner made the correct split-second decisions in a situation so stressful they can't even imagine what it's like because they never lived through it.
I agree that guilt by association may cause problems for the victim but the most reasonable way to proceed is to gather facts and evidence and make decisions based upon that information. I believe that this process is the most effective, even if there is absolute proof that the victim is innocent (assume there was a live stream of the incident for all to see and everyone who saw it was shown that the victim was innocent). We should still jump the hoops and fill out the forms.
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Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "
So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.
I support this and agree.
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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
I was wondering where this would happen first. TX makes sense. They have more ICE than any other state.
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Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
Someone tell the fascist brownshirts that work for ICE that.
ISE doesn't wear ski masks. They wear balaclavas. They're totally different and easy distinguishable in the dark during high stress situations. /s
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BREONNA TAYLOR, member her? Just a raid gone wrong
There have been do many stories of police botched a raid and killed people exercising their 2d Amendment rights in non-threatening ways. Typically the 2A nuts still rally around the cops.
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Quote "Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks. "
So law enforcement just went on record saying ICE agents with masks are not actually law enforcement.
this quote should form the basis of any defense arguments for future ICE shootings
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I agree that guilt by association may cause problems for the victim but the most reasonable way to proceed is to gather facts and evidence and make decisions based upon that information. I believe that this process is the most effective, even if there is absolute proof that the victim is innocent (assume there was a live stream of the incident for all to see and everyone who saw it was shown that the victim was innocent). We should still jump the hoops and fill out the forms.
I just don't agree, I don't see how victimizing someone twice when there's absolute proof they are innocent is in any way productive or a good thing for society. It's really shitty and can ruin someones life when they've already been through a traumatic event. It's bordering on being downright evil tbh.
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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.
I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won't. If they do, they'll take the wrong lesson from it.
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Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.
I dunno. Depends on the agency, these days.
I hope the people directing ICE to mask up take notes of this. They won't. If they do, they'll take the wrong lesson from it.
No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
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I think it is worth killing. The world is a slightly better place for every such person who gets killed.
Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.
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"Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks."
It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!
Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:
In this case, Houston, Texas:
"The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas
The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:
Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.
The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.
You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.
There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."
So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE...
"At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire."
So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.
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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.
[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.
At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.
The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.
Shame this doesn't happen more often.
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No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
By all accounts, ICE are real law enforcement, with the power, and authority of the state to enact the will of the ruling class on us.
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The solution is more guns don't you know!
Yes, it is. Being able to return fire ended this.
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No, the original statement was correct. Real law enforcement does not wear ski masks. Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
Scared Nazi cosplayers wear ski masks.
And they are bestowed power above the justice system by the commander in beef
Wishful thinking is enticing
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If the neighbor backs into your car, should you be able to pursue damages if the person who hit you isn't sent to prison?
Because if, instead of running into your car, the neighbor had accidentally shot it while unloading their rifle for cleaning, you can't sue them if they aren't imprisoned.
Absolutely not. I have state mandated insurance and while the regulations around insurance are fucked up, the insurance company should pay for my claim, then they can look at their legal options for reclaiming damages. If someone "accidentally" shoots a gun, that is negligence and the outcome of that action may result in criminal action, if it does, then sure let me file a civil case if it doesn't, then again I have insurance.
If someone breaks into a home, they have committed violence against me and my family, and in a tight-knit community I'd expect neighbors to respond in-kind and help a member of that community from being victimized.
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Stuff is never more valuable than human life, and you have no idea what material conditions led to this behavior.
In a vacuum that is correct. But material conditions must never lead to random act of violence for selfish gains, it frays the threads of society and leads to a worse outcome for everyone. If you are hungry, go steal from walmart, go rob a bank, don't break into someone's home, you don't know (and obviously don't care) about the circumstances of your victim, so why should a society extend you the same courtesy?
