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let's focus on the whole "who gets to choose how a name is pronounced"
A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.
A words meaning and prononciation is collectively decided through usage.
I agree. I know a ton of people that say it one way, and a ton of people who say it the other. At this point, like many English words in a similar scenario, both pronunciations are valid. I prefer to use the creator's pronunciation, but I think saying it the other way is acceptable. At this point, everyone will know what you're talking about regardless of pronunciation.
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I think that's the conclusion most come to and why the hard G is the most common.
You’re literally just making up things at this point. Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.
Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.
Did a quick search for a survey, first link has 77% pronouncing it with a hard g:
https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/11/08/results-of-the-gif-survey/You're welcome to present a survey that shows a different result.
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I'm pointing to the lead of the team that created it. They get to name it, not me.
I'm also not oddly mad about it like the person replying to me with lots of exclamation points, the user in OPs image, or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.
All I said was the people responsible for it say its a soft g, not a hard g.
or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.
Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...
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or the person using their alt that has only been used to downvote people they are in conversations with for the past few months.
Wow. You did a lot of research into who has been downvoting you for someone who isn't mad about this...
Not really, no, I'm playing with the client communication so I can contribute updates, so ive been using a rather fugly web interface I made. Up/downvote activity is visible in that.
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okay Jraphics Interchange Format
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Not everyone pronounces "women" with a short i sound, it's regional and there are no arguments about the "proper" pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesn't matter.
Yeah of course "proper" doesn't really mean anything when talking about idolects. I'm curious though--I've been trying to get more information about the /wʊmən/ pronunciation for awhile. Do you know what region it's common to? That pronunciation doesn't show up in any dictionary (or at least any American one) except wiktionary and whenever I search for it there's not much info about it. I'm trying to figure out if it's regional or a more recent trend spread across a younger group online or something.
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Just because you thought that does not mean even a slight minority thought or thinks that.
Did a quick search for a survey, first link has 77% pronouncing it with a hard g:
https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/11/08/results-of-the-gif-survey/You're welcome to present a survey that shows a different result.
You’re just changing the conversation. You said “the closest word is gift… that’s the conclusion most come to”. Which is just not provable. The reason the number is so high for hard g (I have a different survey that says 51% in that same year) is because people like you thinking that you know the “rules” of English and then telling everyone to pronounce it hard g. So their first encounter with the word is literally someone pronouncing it wrong. It has nothing to do with them associating it with “gift”.
Edit: you’re not even the person I was talking to so you’re definitely stepping in and saying things that have nothing to do with the convo.
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Thankfully wiktionary
Okay, so common consensus is a valid source then?
Your arguments are inane. Please stop talking to me.
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In English the word "Island" has an 's' in it. This was originally done by someone purposely adding the 's' to make the word look more Latin, even though the English word "eiland" has no Latin root.
So if the original intended usage matters I hope you also correct everyone who uses "island" and tell them "you know it's spelled eiland right?"
Island isn’t a proper noun, nor a product.
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You’re just changing the conversation. You said “the closest word is gift… that’s the conclusion most come to”. Which is just not provable. The reason the number is so high for hard g (I have a different survey that says 51% in that same year) is because people like you thinking that you know the “rules” of English and then telling everyone to pronounce it hard g. So their first encounter with the word is literally someone pronouncing it wrong. It has nothing to do with them associating it with “gift”.
Edit: you’re not even the person I was talking to so you’re definitely stepping in and saying things that have nothing to do with the convo.
you’re not even the person I was talking to
Correct. You are having a conversation in a public forum. If you want a private conversation take it to PMs. I was replying to the specific thing you said that I quoted.
The fact that you could not follow that despite me quoting the relevant sentence, and did not notice I was a different person, shows you are not paying attention to what is actually being said.
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Not really, no, I'm playing with the client communication so I can contribute updates, so ive been using a rather fugly web interface I made. Up/downvote activity is visible in that.
Sure, there's "I can see downvote information" and then there's "I took the effort to check the history of this person who downvoted me and go into the context thread for those downvotes in order to recgonize this other user name being common in them... And I went back far enough to see this trend for months."
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Your arguments are inane. Please stop talking to me.
Generally "sane" people just stop talking to people they do not wish to hear from. When you don't reply to people they tend to not reply back.
Talking to someone in order to say you don't want to talk to them is...
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Island isn’t a proper noun, nor a product.
Neither is .gif, it's a file type. Demonstrated by the fact that you haven't capitalized it in any of your posts.
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Sure, there's "I can see downvote information" and then there's "I took the effort to check the history of this person who downvoted me and go into the context thread for those downvotes in order to recgonize this other user name being common in them... And I went back far enough to see this trend for months."
When it repeats on certain conversations it becomes a bit obvious, and full history of a user is visible with a single click.
Its really not the effort you think it is.
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And words don't need to sound the way they did when they were coined
But if you are talking about the correct way to pronounce something shouldn’t that be the way the creator named it?
It’s like if you named your dog Aaron and they went by the name for a while and all of a sudden people start calling him Ay Ay Ron because they saw the two As and assumed that was how to pronounce it.
What pronunciation would you consider correct the one the creator came up with or the one an uninformed consensus came up with?
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It's pronounced .jif
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