Right-wingers outraged after school district suspends boys for bullying trans student
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My opinion: no.
Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.Hell, most adults probably aren't.
But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.
I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.
I do agree with the stated goals tho.
I agree with this. I don’t think any of the legislation put forward, in multiple countries, with the stated goals of “protecting the children” are actually meant to protect the children. If they were I would indeed support them because I have watched friends struggle with their children. But I’m not entirely sure legislating this problem away is even possible.
But parents I know can sit right next to their kids while they have screen time and some of the stuff that gets sent to their children’s devices is questionable. It’s a lot of emotional and mental labor constantly on parents to course correct some of that sometimes sneaky content. And this is a dual working home who are already stretched thin on time and energy. And banning the older children from devices altogether is pretty much impossible because of school and peers.
I saw a post the other day and it made a valid point. When we were kids there seemed to be a lot more sites with games and stuff geared toward children like Neopets and I remember Gaiaonline fondly. Were there some questionable things? Sure, it was the Wild West of the Internet and I had like zero and I mean zero supervision online, but there just seemed to be more stuff explicitly for kids. Games, interactive educational sites, chats and forums. Not just “versions” of things for kids.
Perhaps I am missing something? Someone please jump in if I am misguided on the apps and sites available today. I would gladly pass that info along to some pairs of parents I know.
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You seem to be very convinced that the weapon hoarding 2nd amendment people will lose...
are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.
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If there had been a person with a vagina in the boys locker room in high school, I'd have been happy about that as a teenager.
At the very least i wouldn't be butthurt about it. How about we don't bully people at all, huh?
you'd have been happy with one of the popular girls walking in mid change and seeing your shriveled little cock pre-shower?
that's kinda weird tbh
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Holy shit, the unhinged right are masters of making themselves out to be the real victims. What fucking chodes they are.
And the “left” is sitting back and allowing their country to be steamrolled by these fucking chodes. It’s embarrassing, really.
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This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.
Yeah but the human shit stains will just recede back into the woodwork before they can all be identified.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
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Can we not do the "boys should be grateful" thing please? It's one step away from "Niiiice" and two away from "An erection is consent". It's not particularly helpful yo reduce a transmasc to "a person with a vagina" either.
My mistake. You're absolutely right.
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are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.
Trudat, Comrade.
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They get triggered if the wind blows the wrong direction. Fuck em.
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Have you seen the courts lately? they've turned themselves into a farce with ever more flagrant anti-constitutional rulings. Citing them doesn't hold the gravity it once did
This isn't a 'lately' thing.
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are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.
The old joke is that if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.
I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
Then it's fortunate that your personal experience doesn't dictate school safety procedures
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It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.
I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
I agree completely and I'm impressed that you were so cordial with @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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My opinion: no.
Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.Hell, most adults probably aren't.
But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.
I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.
I do agree with the stated goals tho.
I was being sarcastic. I’m surprised no one noticed.
Usually it’s “fuck this! Parents should do their job!” Around here and in gamer/tech nerd spaces.
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It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.
I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
To be fair, the big WTF to me was that the trans boy walked into the locker room to film the reactions. I think breaking out the camera in any locker room by anyone would be considered unacceptable.
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It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.
I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
No, I think I got it alright.
and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
I imagine some girls would be equally as uncomfortable with this boy in their locker room. From the perspective of those other boys, there was a girl in their locker room. We need to teach understanding that trans people exist, and they need to use bathrooms and locker rooms as well.
I'm with you on having more availability of gender neutral locker rooms, but until schools either integrate all locker rooms (unlikely, seeing how parents have reacted) or build a 3rd locker room (equally unlikely IMO) then we need to teach about how trans people feel, and replace fear and discomfort with understanding and acceptance.
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Then it's fortunate that your personal experience doesn't dictate school safety procedures
I agree, but let's analyze this a bit further... Who's personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
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To be fair, the big WTF to me was that the trans boy walked into the locker room to film the reactions. I think breaking out the camera in any locker room by anyone would be considered unacceptable.
True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
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No, I think I got it alright.
and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
I imagine some girls would be equally as uncomfortable with this boy in their locker room. From the perspective of those other boys, there was a girl in their locker room. We need to teach understanding that trans people exist, and they need to use bathrooms and locker rooms as well.
I'm with you on having more availability of gender neutral locker rooms, but until schools either integrate all locker rooms (unlikely, seeing how parents have reacted) or build a 3rd locker room (equally unlikely IMO) then we need to teach about how trans people feel, and replace fear and discomfort with understanding and acceptance.
If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too.
I was referencing specifically this part of your post.
But I agree with your take overall. And see that in the quoted text you were referencing the boys perceptions. But it also sounds like this harassment was ongoing, hence the trans boy feeling the need to record it. Calling him a girl was likely part of that harassment. They likely know he's trans. But are learning a lot of exclusionary rhetoric from their peers and likely adults too. Which they used to harass and exclude the trans boy.
We need education, inclusion. And yeah, safe gender neutral spaces too.
