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  • baronvonj@lemmy.worldB baronvonj@lemmy.world

    First amendment absolutely applies in public schools.

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    onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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    Depends on the situation, but schools act in loco parentis, assuming the responsibility of the parent while the child is in their custody.

    The legal argument, which has been upheld by courts, is that parents don't have to respect 1st amendment rights regarding the discipline of their children, so therefore schools don't either.

    And it makes sense if you think about it. A kid shouldn't be able to disrupt class, sling racial slurs, verbally assault another student or teacher, etc. with impunity. The situation in the article is a prime example of this.

    I also found out the hard way that they don't have to respect your 5th and 6th amendment rights either, as I was questioned without being read my rights, and that was used against me in court.

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    • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

      I got in to two separate arguments on the internet over this today.

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      paraphrand@lemmy.world
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      The kids should be free to participate in all platforms

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      • O onslaught545@lemmy.zip

        Depends on the situation, but schools act in loco parentis, assuming the responsibility of the parent while the child is in their custody.

        The legal argument, which has been upheld by courts, is that parents don't have to respect 1st amendment rights regarding the discipline of their children, so therefore schools don't either.

        And it makes sense if you think about it. A kid shouldn't be able to disrupt class, sling racial slurs, verbally assault another student or teacher, etc. with impunity. The situation in the article is a prime example of this.

        I also found out the hard way that they don't have to respect your 5th and 6th amendment rights either, as I was questioned without being read my rights, and that was used against me in court.

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        traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Have you seen the courts lately? they've turned themselves into a farce with ever more flagrant anti-constitutional rulings. Citing them doesn't hold the gravity it once did

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          cocopanda@lemmy.world
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          This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.

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          • C cocopanda@lemmy.world

            This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.

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            simsalabim@lemmy.world
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            You seem to be very convinced that the weapon hoarding 2nd amendment people will lose...

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              fedizen@lemmy.world
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              This has gone too far. Conservative media has just become purposeless cruelty. Bullying in any form shouldn't be allowed in school. Its obviously not only inhumane to allow that shit but its a liability for schools.

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              • paraphrand@lemmy.worldP paraphrand@lemmy.world

                The kids should be free to participate in all platforms

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                magikmw@piefed.social
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                My opinion: no.
                Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.

                Hell, most adults probably aren't.
                But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.

                Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.

                I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.

                I do agree with the stated goals tho.

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                  ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                  Everyone else surprised that a school district would take any action at all against any bully, let alone one bullying a trans student.

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                  • M magikmw@piefed.social

                    My opinion: no.
                    Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.

                    Hell, most adults probably aren't.
                    But as long as a child has a guardian, it's the guardian's responsibility to teach, guide and protect.

                    Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.

                    I don't think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don't know what is, on a societal level.

                    I do agree with the stated goals tho.

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                    unconsequential@slrpnk.net
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                    I agree with this. I don’t think any of the legislation put forward, in multiple countries, with the stated goals of “protecting the children” are actually meant to protect the children. If they were I would indeed support them because I have watched friends struggle with their children. But I’m not entirely sure legislating this problem away is even possible.

                    But parents I know can sit right next to their kids while they have screen time and some of the stuff that gets sent to their children’s devices is questionable. It’s a lot of emotional and mental labor constantly on parents to course correct some of that sometimes sneaky content. And this is a dual working home who are already stretched thin on time and energy. And banning the older children from devices altogether is pretty much impossible because of school and peers.

                    I saw a post the other day and it made a valid point. When we were kids there seemed to be a lot more sites with games and stuff geared toward children like Neopets and I remember Gaiaonline fondly. Were there some questionable things? Sure, it was the Wild West of the Internet and I had like zero and I mean zero supervision online, but there just seemed to be more stuff explicitly for kids. Games, interactive educational sites, chats and forums. Not just “versions” of things for kids.

                    Perhaps I am missing something? Someone please jump in if I am misguided on the apps and sites available today. I would gladly pass that info along to some pairs of parents I know.

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                    • S simsalabim@lemmy.world

                      You seem to be very convinced that the weapon hoarding 2nd amendment people will lose...

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                      chosensilence@pawb.social
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                      are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.

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                      • P pattymcb@lemmy.world

                        If there had been a person with a vagina in the boys locker room in high school, I'd have been happy about that as a teenager.

                        At the very least i wouldn't be butthurt about it. How about we don't bully people at all, huh?

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                        mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
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                        you'd have been happy with one of the popular girls walking in mid change and seeing your shriveled little cock pre-shower?

                        that's kinda weird tbh

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                        • charlesdarwin@lemmy.worldC charlesdarwin@lemmy.world

                          Holy shit, the unhinged right are masters of making themselves out to be the real victims. What fucking chodes they are.

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                          wizardoffrobozz@lemmy.ca
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                          And the “left” is sitting back and allowing their country to be steamrolled by these fucking chodes. It’s embarrassing, really.

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                          • C cocopanda@lemmy.world

                            This is why I don’t mind the thought of a coming civil war and reliving the monsters. They don’t deserve life for being so evil. People need to get ready for the coming civil war against the Nazi’s.

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                            dan1101@lemmy.world
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                            Yeah but the human shit stains will just recede back into the woodwork before they can all be identified.

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                              bytemeister@lemmy.world
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                              I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.

                              In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.

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                              • T theoctonaut@mander.xyz

                                Can we not do the "boys should be grateful" thing please? It's one step away from "Niiiice" and two away from "An erection is consent". It's not particularly helpful yo reduce a transmasc to "a person with a vagina" either.

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                                pattymcb@lemmy.world
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                                My mistake. You're absolutely right.

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                                • chosensilence@pawb.socialC chosensilence@pawb.social

                                  are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.

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                                  chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net
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                                  Trudat, Comrade.

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                                    deflated0ne@lemmy.world
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                                    They get triggered if the wind blows the wrong direction. Fuck em.

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                                    • T traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                      Have you seen the courts lately? they've turned themselves into a farce with ever more flagrant anti-constitutional rulings. Citing them doesn't hold the gravity it once did

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                                      onslaught545@lemmy.zip
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                                      This isn't a 'lately' thing.

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                                      • chosensilence@pawb.socialC chosensilence@pawb.social

                                        are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.

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                                        mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        The old joke is that if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.

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                                        • B bytemeister@lemmy.world

                                          I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it's clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.

                                          In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.

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                                          tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world
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                                          It sounds like there wasn't a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.

                                          I'm not saying that isn't awkward, but your perception of events aren't exactly accurate either.

                                          I'm trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men's room, I make men uncomfortable because I'm a woman. If I didn't pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women's room instead.

                                          The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.

                                          That said, I don't think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.

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