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    jim3692@discuss.online
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    #5
    nix flake update
    nixos-rebuild --switch --flake .
    
    # Just to keep an update history
    git add flake.lock
    git commit -m "update"
    

    This may seem like too much work, but it guarantees an all-or-nothing procedure. If some package is broken, the entire upgrade process is canceled, and the system remains in the state that it was.

    I have had a couple of partial upgrade cases on Arch. It was not fun live booting to repair it, every time this happened.

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    • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

      Really should keep that PPA use to a minimum. They're potentially a source of not just instability but possible malware as you're putting a lot of trust in whoever maintains that resource.

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      jim3692@discuss.online
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      #6

      When I use Debian/Ubuntu, I prefer installing missing/outdated software from Nix package manager or Flatpaks.

      This way, I can keep a stable core, while being able to enjoy all the latest versions of the apps that I need.

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        flemtone@lemmy.world
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        #7

        I find debian more stable than arch, especially when updating.

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          theleadensea@sh.itjust.works
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          presses the big blue 'update' button in GNOME Software in Fedora

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            friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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            #9

            ujust update

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              comradenokotan@lemmy.zip
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              #10

              I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

              Sauce

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              • comradenokotan@lemmy.zipC comradenokotan@lemmy.zip

                I saw someone on ml point out that update should come before upgrade

                Sauce

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                bleistift2@sopuli.xyz
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                #11

                update pulls the metadata about your packages (to see if there are new versions, and which), while upgrade applies the patches.

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                • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzB bleistift2@sopuli.xyz

                  update pulls the metadata about your packages (to see if there are new versions, and which), while upgrade applies the patches.

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                  zwiebel@feddit.org
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                  I've never understood why the update part isn't included in the upgrade command, since upgrade is useless without it

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                  • F friend_of_satan@lemmy.world

                    ujust update

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                    zwiebel@feddit.org
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                    #13

                    Isn't that just topgrade

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                      Isn't that just topgrade

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                      friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
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                      #14

                      I'm honestly not sure. https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/blob/main/system_files/desktop/shared/usr/share/ublue-os/just/10-update.just

                      The bazzite motd says use ujust

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                      • R redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        OP hasn't used AUR much

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                        eldritch@piefed.world
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                        #15

                        You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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                        • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

                          You don't even have to use the aur are to have breaking changes. Most recently they changed how vlc was packaged. And broke it causing a lot of problems for users.

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                          redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          That's pretty rare. I ran arch for years and my only issues were from AUR or trying to update extremely out of date machines.

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                          • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

                            Really should keep that PPA use to a minimum. They're potentially a source of not just instability but possible malware as you're putting a lot of trust in whoever maintains that resource.

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                            manxu@piefed.social
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                            Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                              Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                              henfredemars@infosec.pub
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                              #18

                              Absolutely. Ideally you should have zero PPAs. There’s definitely a cost for using this feature. Most commonly it comes in the form of instability when you end up with incompatible or broken packages because the maintainer wasn’t playing an active enough role. YMMV!

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                              • R redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                That's pretty rare. I ran arch for years and my only issues were from AUR or trying to update extremely out of date machines.

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                                eldritch@piefed.world
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                                I've run arch for years as well. It happens nearly yearly. I've had updates break completely several times. Partial updates. That required significant manual intervention. Etc Etc Etc. Meanwhile my Debian and fedora systems haven't had a hitch in years.

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                                • M manxu@piefed.social

                                  Especially because there is no way to limit the packages installed from a PPA AFAIK. If the PPA has a "new" version of NGINX, or of libc, or of Wayland - you get it, too!!!

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                                  zorro@lemmy.world
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                                  You can set packages from a particular repo to a lower priority so that they are only installed when you expressly ask for them

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                                    You can set packages from a particular repo to a lower priority so that they are only installed when you expressly ask for them

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                                    manxu@piefed.social
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                                    How does one do that, Wise Zorro?

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                                    • eldritch@piefed.worldE eldritch@piefed.world

                                      I've run arch for years as well. It happens nearly yearly. I've had updates break completely several times. Partial updates. That required significant manual intervention. Etc Etc Etc. Meanwhile my Debian and fedora systems haven't had a hitch in years.

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                                      redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      I've moved on to gentoo. All the customization and if something breaks I can be sure it's my fault.

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                                        nix flake update
                                        nixos-rebuild --switch --flake .
                                        
                                        # Just to keep an update history
                                        git add flake.lock
                                        git commit -m "update"
                                        

                                        This may seem like too much work, but it guarantees an all-or-nothing procedure. If some package is broken, the entire upgrade process is canceled, and the system remains in the state that it was.

                                        I have had a couple of partial upgrade cases on Arch. It was not fun live booting to repair it, every time this happened.

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                                        somethingburger@jlai.lu
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                                        I've had updates fail on NixOS. A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs and the system wouldn't boot. Booting to a previous generation and reapplying the update fixed it.

                                        This is very rare, though, and unlike Arch can be fixed without a Live USB.

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                                        • somethingburger@jlai.luS somethingburger@jlai.lu

                                          I've had updates fail on NixOS. A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs and the system wouldn't boot. Booting to a previous generation and reapplying the update fixed it.

                                          This is very rare, though, and unlike Arch can be fixed without a Live USB.

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                                          jim3692@discuss.online
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                                          A kernel update didn't generate the initramfs

                                          This sounds like a bug on Nix configuration, or the kernel build process.

                                          If NixOS had caught the error, you wouldn't have gotten a faulty generation at all. This is different from pacman/apt/dnf, which will happily continue the upgrade, resulting in a broken system with no easy way to fix it.

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